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Cons will probably get in and as I don't work in the public sector it will probably be better assuming I don't get mugged by the swarms of unemployed.
How do you envisage the results of general election effecting YOU ?
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I'm interested to know why you think they're unnecessary? Ignore talk of legislation for a moment and look at the bigger picture: £1m per day was lost on aborted house sales before HIPs came into place. That's a ridiculous amount of money being poured down the plughole.
Face it, the Tories saying they'll abolish them is an easy way for them to gain a few votes from landlords and the like; people who have a few bob to begin with and are prime Conservative supporters.
I'm also pretty sure people were throwing their arms up in the air when conveyancing came into place years ago. But that became the standard and was accepted, perhaps through gritted teeth.
(and we've gone slightly off-topic...)
Fundamentally, if it was a good idea, it would have developed without government intervention. The fact that it hasn't suggests that it actually isn't a good idea in the grand scheme of things.
what a load of rubbish, of course they have access to the information, as we do. It's all in the public domain on the ONS, BOE and DMO websites. That doesn't include the miriad of financial websites that break it down for you and submit potential outcomes.
As someone said, they are all hiding the truth from us and we have no idea what we are going to get.
There is a big problem in the deficit, surely we are entitled to an adult discussion on how to deal with it.
I fear what ever happens, it ain't goin to be pretty.
Actually, we don't. None of the sources you cite provide fully detailed accounts for government spending. Instead they provide overview figures of how money is spent, the details are not available to the general public or indeed the opposition in any meaningful form.
As for what happens not being pretty, indeed it won't, thanks to Brown's fiscal incompetence for the last 13 years.
I'm pretty sure they can cut your budget and you can still do the same job, the number of times I've seen 4 people being involved in one guy digging something up ... with the other 3 just standing there looking is ridiculous.
Add to that the amount of time I've seen, in the middle of the day no less, no road works occurring despite all the equipment being there, all the cones out ... just no people around.
Let's not forget how it also takes YOU lot many multiples more time to resurface a stretch of road than it takes for the same length to be done in other European countries.
I beg to differ, the IMF will not be as generous as Thatcher
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No matter which party gets into power. People will get shafted, different people for different parties.
All parties are proposing bigger spending cuts than thatcher made. They don't have a choice, Brown's mess is bigger than the one Thatcher inherited from Labour in 1979...
Exactly the fact that it's a vote loser to be honest and discuss it shouldn't be a factor. There shouldn't be a vote until what will actually happen is out in the open.
I'd rather have seen the figures balanced in public so the parties could pick holes in proposals to cut the debt, rather than just use catch phrases or tell you they will cut the debt by half in 5 years and finish with a tap of the nose and a knowing wink.
I want to know upfront what I'm voting for.
The labour gov has kept the in interest rates down. Thacher put them up.
Labour help school children. Thacher Abolished free school meals for all children and Abolished free school milk to save taxes.
Peace was made with N Ireland under labour. Thacher Stirred up more trouble between England and Ireland.
And lots more.
conservatives have always stripped our country to the bone while lining their own pockets with wealth and power.
I work for a university and we're already seeing job cuts from the last budget with over 100 academic staff losing their jobs. We're also going through a restructuring and thanks to the way the university management are doing it we're going to have cuts in the IT support at faculty level, all going on while we're seeing record numbers of students applying. The number of student places has had to be cut back as the government will no longer pay above a certain amount of places.
We'll probably see a lot more foreign students as the university tries to get funding from somewhere and since they pay a lot more than UK students it's more than likely they'll be preferred to local students even with their fees paid out of the Scottish government's budget. I can see student fees coming into Scotland at last as the budget is cut (especially if we have a Tory government for the UK).
I'm not worried about losing my own job since I support student labs and we're already at the minimum required for health and safety just that we don't know what other duties will be thrown at us once the process has been completed.
As for other items, locally mass immigration has become a problem after the Glasgow council took a lot from London during the last furore so we're now seeing the effects of that as our low-wage fight for the few jobs available and benefit scroungers start moaning at the amount of extra hand-outs they're getting. It's started an "us and them" feeling resulting in rising racist attacks and other crime.
Other than that kids are still a problem with their gangs and anti-social behaviour even after countless "crackdowns", public transport is still a joke and council services don't care beyond the minimum they're require to do.
Ah well never mind, at least New Labour care about the public sector and the poor?
We'll probably see a lot more foreign students as the university tries to get funding from somewhere and since they pay a lot more than UK students it's more than likely they'll be preferred to local students even with their fees paid out of the Scottish government's budget. I can see student fees coming into Scotland at last as the budget is cut (especially if we have a Tory government for the UK).
I'm not worried about losing my own job since I support student labs and we're already at the minimum required for health and safety just that we don't know what other duties will be thrown at us once the process has been completed.
As for other items, locally mass immigration has become a problem after the Glasgow council took a lot from London during the last furore so we're now seeing the effects of that as our low-wage fight for the few jobs available and benefit scroungers start moaning at the amount of extra hand-outs they're getting. It's started an "us and them" feeling resulting in rising racist attacks and other crime.
Other than that kids are still a problem with their gangs and anti-social behaviour even after countless "crackdowns", public transport is still a joke and council services don't care beyond the minimum they're require to do.
Ah well never mind, at least New Labour care about the public sector and the poor?
I'm sorry but you can download very detailed spreadsheets of data covering all sorts of things in great detail.
We are not talking about the general public, we are talking about political parties that would like us to believe they can run the country. None of them are fit to govern if they don't take the due diligance to look at the data that is available.
The only thing I want out of this is a change to the voting system, I see nothing else positive in the whole process.
Labour only did this by altering inflation to exclude housing costs, and setting the inflation target based on the new measure when they gave the BoE independence.
Interest rates would have been much higher had Labour not done this.
Labour have not helped school children, our schools are performing worse than ever in independent testing. Exam results are improving, but only because the testing process is much easier than it used to be. The social mobility gap has increased under Labour as education has become worse and opportunities reduced.
This one I'll agree with.
Labour have always squandered our money and left the country on the verge of bankruptcy with increasing social problems due to their entitlement culture (see also 1951 and 1979).
You really can't, not in the sort of detail to identify where you can make cuts and easily predict the consequences.
The data required isn't available though. Labour put off the spending review (which will produce the information required) until after the election.
Changing the voting system without addressing the current problems with our political systems will only make things worse, not better.
It's going to happen again, for the same reason it happened before, Labour have ruined the economy and fixing the mess is painful.
I don't agree with everything Thatcher did, especially many of her social policies, but to blame her for having to fix Labour's problems is to be destined to repeat them (as indeed we have done).
yes you can, don't be daft.
yes it is, go and have a proper look instead of typing made up stuff on here.
I don't agree with you at all/ you are saying no change is good doesn't cameron say vote for change, we never get real change.
Do you really think you can get enough meaningful details from the ONS etc to be able to plan a meaningful program of cuts? have you ever had to look at anything like that before? Trust me,the information available isn't enough.
I want a lot of change, changing the voting system is part of it, however some change is by definition interdependent on other changes to make it work. This is not unreasonable.