How do you envisage the results of general election effecting YOU ?

[Slam62]

@Dolph at the end of the day we both vote for who we like.

I lived through the thatcher years with a family and a mortgage. It was not a nice time and I don't want it to happen again.

At the end of the day, despite Dolphs huge brain and general intellectual superiority, he is only capable of seeing one view point - his.

Oh and he loves the tories of which I would wager he has no experience of them in action.

I would like to be even handed in this election, but don't feel I can, so I want a change to the voting system.

Most people in this country have any idea about what is going to hit them, regardless of who gets in. If they really new what was best for them, they would vote labour, as they will print more money and desperately try to soften the blow.
No Dolph I am not saying that would be best overall.

At the end of the day though, you can't trust the tories and they will always be biased in favour of the better off.

Most of the lib dem policies are in cloud cukoo land and look where 13 yrs of labour got us, the second gulf war, afghanistan, a stupid housing bubble and a massive public financial mess.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Oh and he loves the tories of which I would wager he has no experience of them in action.

I think he was born before 1997?

 

[Slam62]

Do you really think you can get enough meaningful details from the ONS etc to be able to plan a meaningful program of cuts? have you ever had to look at anything like that before? Trust me,the information available isn't enough.



I want a lot of change, changing the voting system is part of it, however some change is by definition interdependent on other changes to make it work. This is not unreasonable.

no I don't trust you, you seem very naiive and simplistic. If the information isn't enough, why aren't they demanding it? Plus I've seen and read enough of it myself to know that they aren't even trying and are just using it as an excuse to avoid telling us the truth.

They could easily make some assumptions, but all they do is come up with the usual waffle about efficiency savings and cutting waste, which everyone knows will mean across the board cuts, mostly man power.

We really need the country to be run in a more professional way.

 

[Slam62]

I think he was born before 1997?

born or an adult?

Anyone trying to pay a mortgage, keep kids in school and scared of crime should be terrified of a tory govt, let alone if you are old or dissabled and alone.

Whats more they blame all the problems on you and tell you to get on your bike which is going to be difficult with huge amounts of negative equity and kids settled in school.
Fortunately, my kids are getting near the end of school and I have loads of equity in my house. But those with young kids and huge mortgages could be in for a terrible shock. From which their lives may never recover.

 

[deuse]

I think he was born before 1997?

His sig says "29th Sep 1978 (31) "

So he was a baby when thatcher was around doing her dirty deeds.

EDIT =He did miss the the great match of Liverpool 1..thatcher 0

 

[[TW]Fox]

His sig says "29th Sep 1978 (31) "

So he was a baby when thatcher was around doing her dirty deeds.

EDIT =He did miss the the great match of Liverpool 1..thatcher 0

So he was a taxpayer during the last Tory government then? He will have been 19 when Labour replaced the Tories. Easily old enough for somebody with more than half a brain and an interest in politics to have a useful reference point.

 

[deuse]

So he was a taxpayer during the last Tory government then? He will have been 19 when Labour replaced the Tories. Easily old enough for somebody with more than half a brain and an interest in politics to have a useful reference point.

He was 12 when thatcher got kicked out 1990 which is who I was talking about.

 

[Orcish-Horde]

Peace was made with N Ireland under labour. Thacher Stirred up more trouble between England and Ireland.

This one I'll agree with.

You are both wrong on this, it was John Major that got the IRA to the table and to call a ceasefire and start the peace process. The labour government just picked up where the Torys left of. Under Labour the N Ireland border has been all but handed over to the C/RIRA, all through the peace process there has been a low level fire bombing campaign. Which has now progressed into large car bombings, which will progress into large bombings within London. With the hunger strikers it was not Thatcher that flared the troubles but rather the republican movement. They used the Hunger strikers to progress their end. Thatcher had to take a stand because if she had not they would have just progressed to the the next issue, Thatcher would then have been force from issue to issue. You can't really lay blame at any of the governments doors, they were dealing with people that had other agendas on their minds.

As for this Election it will probably mean an up turn in the RIRA bombing campaign regardless of who gets in. A Tory win will probably give them some more wind in their sails. Other than that Large cuts in spending no mater who gets in, resulting in higher unemployment and cuts to benefits.

 

[badcompany]

last time labour was in power they bankrupted the country and we went cap in hand to the IMF, looks like will might have to again.

The spend/spend way the labour government works is ok for a while until the debts are unmanageable.


Labour = increased public sector and debt
the tories had to sort that mess out and that has made them unpopular for a whole generation who still blame them for what they had to do to sort out the mess the country was in.

looks like its going to happen again.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/29/mervyn-king-warns-election-victor

Mervyn King is warning that the victor in next week's election will be forced into austerity measures that will keep the party out of power for a generation, according to the US economist David Hale.

Indeed, the cuts could well be on a scale not seen since the 1920s, especially since they are reliant on Britain achieveing stonking economic growth for the next few years. If this record-breaking GDP increase isn't achieved then the cuts will be even deeper. Ouch.

 

[Dolph]

At the end of the day, despite Dolphs huge brain and general intellectual superiority, he is only capable of seeing one view point - his.

Actually, my view is easily changable, you just need to provide an evidence based argument that's constructed correctly.

Oh and he loves the tories of which I would wager he has no experience of them in action.

Actually, I don't 'love' the tories, far from it, just because I consider them the least worse place to put my vote doesn't mean I approve of all they stand for, either now or in the past. They are nowhere near socially liberal enough for me for a start...

I would like to be even handed in this election, but don't feel I can, so I want a change to the voting system.

So would I, but given that Labour want AV, which is demonstrably worse than FPTP in terms of representation... The lib dems have a few deal breaking policies, mostly stemming from the group within the party that was formally the unelectable SDP.

Most people in this country have any idea about what is going to hit them, regardless of who gets in. If they really new what was best for them, they would vote labour, as they will print more money and desperately try to soften the blow.
No Dolph I am not saying that would be best overall.

Thank god, it's an absolutely suicidal idea for the future of the country.

At the end of the day though, you can't trust the tories and they will always be biased in favour of the better off.

By biased towards the better off do you mean will not punish the better off?

I want fair taxation and benefits that treats everyone equally, the Tories are pretty far from that, but they are closer than Labour and the lib dems, who want to treat people differently based on their earnings.

Most of the lib dem policies are in cloud cukoo land and look where 13 yrs of labour got us, the second gulf war, afghanistan, a stupid housing bubble and a massive public financial mess.

And this is why I will be voting Tory. I don't trust Labour to sort out the economy, and the Lib dems are actually planning greater service cuts than the tories if the figures in their manifesto are accurate...

 

[Dolph]

He was 12 when thatcher got kicked out 1990 which is who I was talking about.

What difference does that actually make? I am more than capable of researching all the issues and making a decision, just as you are more than capable of constructing a fallacy around your own views being both valid and generalisable.

Let me ask you a few questions to gauge your position:

Will you consider the cuts that have to be made during the next parliament to be the fault of the government in power, or a consequence of the current administration's overspending?

Should the state employ people who aren't doing economically productive work?

The answers to these two questions will clear up whether your problem is an irrational dislike of Thatcher or an ideological objection to fiscal competence...

 

[dante6491]

Most people in this country have any idea about what is going to hit them, regardless of who gets in. If they really new what was best for them, they would vote labour, as they will print more money and desperately try to soften the blow.

You really have no idea do you? Printing more money will annihilate the value of the pound which would be good for exports. Except we import a lot more than we export because things just aren't made here that we want to consume. More money would equal higher inflation, thus meaning labour would have to increase the interest rates which means a lot higher mortgage/loan payments.

Just breaking it down to a simplistic formula. GDP = Consumption + Business Investment + Government Spending + (Exports - Imports).

What has been happening under labour, is that they have been borrowing money to spend in order to increase GDP. What the Conservatives plan to do is dramatically reduce government spending, but lower taxes for businesses and people, thus meaning they will have more money to spend, and Consumption and Investment will rise. Lower taxes also have the benefit of attracting more businesses to the country and there should therefore be more jobs available, lower unemployment and thus a smaller benefit bill.

However front line services will be reduced. This leads to the argument of personal responsibility. Everyone should have more money and thus they need to decide if they want things like private healthcare or go with a worse NHS system and have more fancy televisions and such forth.

 

[xJcBx]

As long as I can still go to uni, have a part time job and not come out with over £25K in loans at the end, I'm happy.

I accept that if Tories get in I'll probably have bigger debts than I will with Labor, but whatever, life is for living, and I shan't be letting a measly debt stand in the way of ruining my organs for the next 4 years.

I want Lib Dems to get in.

 

[Strife212]

A feeling of satisfaction / dissapointment

 

[Slam62]

Actually, my view is easily changable, you just need to provide an evidence based argument that's constructed correctly.



Actually, I don't 'love' the tories, far from it, just because I consider them the least worse place to put my vote doesn't mean I approve of all they stand for, either now or in the past. They are nowhere near socially liberal enough for me for a start...



So would I, but given that Labour want AV, which is demonstrably worse than FPTP in terms of representation... The lib dems have a few deal breaking policies, mostly stemming from the group within the party that was formally the unelectable SDP.



Thank god, it's an absolutely suicidal idea for the future of the country.



By biased towards the better off do you mean will not punish the better off?

I want fair taxation and benefits that treats everyone equally, the Tories are pretty far from that, but they are closer than Labour and the lib dems, who want to treat people differently based on their earnings.



And this is why I will be voting Tory. I don't trust Labour to sort out the economy, and the Lib dems are actually planning greater service cuts than the tories if the figures in their manifesto are accurate...

fair enough,

 

[scorza]

You really have no idea do you? Printing more money will annihilate the value of the pound which would be good for exports. Except we import a lot more than we export because things just aren't made here that we want to consume. More money would equal higher inflation, thus meaning labour would have to increase the interest rates which means a lot higher mortgage/loan payments.

Increasing exports means that the useful part of our economy i.e. engineering and manufacturing expands, which I think is vital if we're to survive a first world nation. Basically you can look at it in a very simplistic manner - Labour/LibDem = good for useful foundations of economy, Conservative = good for support services like banks.

We've been printing money for the last couple of years without rampant inflation.

What has been happening under labour, is that they have been borrowing money to spend in order to increase GDP. What the Conservatives plan to do is dramatically reduce government spending, but lower taxes for businesses and people, thus meaning they will have more money to spend, and Consumption and Investment will rise. Lower taxes also have the benefit of attracting more businesses to the country and there should therefore be more jobs available, lower unemployment and thus a smaller benefit bill.

They will concentrate on tax cuts for the most privileged in society. The most damning statistic I read recently was that the poorest people in our society pay 35% of their income in tax, while the richest section of society only pay 31% of their income in tax. This gap will only get wider under the Conservatives. It's time for the poor to stop subsidising the rich, why should hard working people lose out so that the privileged few can gain?

However front line services will be reduced. This leads to the argument of personal responsibility. Everyone should have more money and thus they need to decide if they want things like private healthcare or go with a worse NHS system and have more fancy televisions and such forth.

There you have it, the Conservative party mantra stripped bare - if you're the hard working poor you're going to have to put up with crap healthcare + other public services.

 

[badcompany]

You really have no idea do you? Printing more money will annihilate the value of the pound which would be good for exports. Except we import a lot more than we export because things just aren't made here that we want to consume. More money would equal higher inflation, thus meaning labour would have to increase the interest rates which means a lot higher mortgage/loan payments.

Just breaking it down to a simplistic formula. GDP = Consumption + Business Investment + Government Spending + (Exports - Imports).

What has been happening under labour, is that they have been borrowing money to spend in order to increase GDP. What the Conservatives plan to do is dramatically reduce government spending, but lower taxes for businesses and people, thus meaning they will have more money to spend, and Consumption and Investment will rise. Lower taxes also have the benefit of attracting more businesses to the country and there should therefore be more jobs available, lower unemployment and thus a smaller benefit bill.

However front line services will be reduced. This leads to the argument of personal responsibility. Everyone should have more money and thus they need to decide if they want things like private healthcare or go with a worse NHS system and have more fancy televisions and such forth.

taxes are NOT going to be reduced, they will have to go up Independent think tank has said by 6p

 

[rypt]

We've been printing money for the last couple of years without rampant inflation.

Have you seen the value of the pound?

 

[Aero]

I'm pretty sure they can cut your budget and you can still do the same job, the number of times I've seen 4 people being involved in one guy digging something up ... with the other 3 just standing there looking is ridiculous.
Add to that the amount of time I've seen, in the middle of the day no less, no road works occurring despite all the equipment being there, all the cones out ... just no people around.

Let's not forget how it also takes YOU lot many multiples more time to resurface a stretch of road than it takes for the same length to be done in other European countries.

Unfortunately they probably will cut the budget which could force redundancies at my work place.

Health and Safety forces a lot of actions on site which unless you've been there you probably wouldn't understand.

Often work is done at night on the highway and its cheaper to leave the traffic management out during the day than take it off and re-install it again also sometimes due to the nature of the works it has to be left out.

Thats probably due to the stringent rules and regulations we have to adhere to. Trust me no one would like it more if we could just sort out the roads overnight but it ain't going to happen. Open your eyes and come live in the real world...

You lie

no one does that

lol if only I work in a MAC and no thats not a McDonalds.

 

[dante6491]

taxes are NOT going to be reduced, they will have to go up Independent think tank has said by 6p

Yet the Tories say Corporation tax will be cut by 3p.