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Too many "stories" from all the different rags for anyone to have any real idea of what the hell to vote for in my opinion.
Too much misinformation spouted about everyones opposing party.
Is it any wonder no one can be bothered to vote.
I do hope this year is different and things can change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaruPtx-eFM
Too much misinformation spouted about everyones opposing party.
Is it any wonder no one can be bothered to vote.
I do hope this year is different and things can change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaruPtx-eFM
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But at what cost?
Can you read, at all?
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I love the thread regarding the huge number of BNP voters here, and how they must change their ways.
Everyone who said BNP in any previous polls was doing so as a Jape.
Everyone who said BNP in any previous polls was doing so as a Jape.
Read what, Russia wants him to stand trial for what they see as criminal/terrorist actions in the first war ...
UK government seems to have happily allowed him in and let him stay here.
They didn't even try to trade him for Lugovoy despite us wanting him, and Russians wanting Zakayev
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Just based on semantics alone bigredshark said "convicted terrorists", Mr Zakayev has neither been tried or convicted yet or at least he hadn't at the time of the extradition request although he may now have been tried in absentia I suppose.
However just because another country requests an extradition doesn't mean that Britain should surrender the person for extradition - if, as may be the case, the evidence provided with the request is not sufficiently rigorous to suggest a prima facie case to answer then Britain should not hand over a suspect (and on a tangent our agreement with the US is not fairly balanced either). If the suspect is being requested for what Britain suspects to be reasons other than those linked to the instant charge then equally they probably shouldn't hand them over either.
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Hate to agree with you , but yes, we simply can't afford the public spending we do now and Labour just want to employ more and more people in the NHS with 90% of increases in funding(and the increases in funding in the past decade) being on paying these new and useless workers rather than paying for increased quality of services).
Its something like 160k doctors in the NHS, including around 80k GP's who are fairly useless and really most do very very little "doctor" work. IE years of medical school, training to do hundreds or even thousands of procedures, GP doctors get paid an embarassing amount to do what amounts to taking a few BP's, listening to chests and sending them off to the appropriate doctors at local hospitals.
You've then got close to two nurses for every doctor, so around 300k nurses, then you've got about 1.3MILLION clerical staff top to bottom. Its a complete joke, one "secretary/records person" should be able to deal with the paperwork and workload of 6-10 doctors. TO be fair in that 1.3million you've got lots of things like technical staff, radiologists and people, some of those are actually doctors and some overly trained staff getting a pretty huge wage to sit people under an X-ray machine correctly.
Labour have been loading up public services with so many literally worthless jobs that expenditure has gone through the roof but NONE of that extra spending is on better services, none of it.
Same goes for schools, Clegg constantly prattles on about TOrys promising to take money out of the school system, damn straight.
For a decade labours massively increased spending, which has resulted in better results on easier tests and no improvement in teaching in the slightest.
Every increase in spending has been wasted, the extra spending has all been spent in the wrong way on the wrong plans and with no effect. Promising to keep wasting money is the most pathetic government message Clegg could be making but thats what he's doing, same as Brown.
MASSIVE spending cuts are required and if done right services can easily be made better. Tory's are for removing several layers of beaurocrats who drain money and provide no benefit to the NHS at all, they increase the complexity of the jobs of everyone around them, wasting time, effort and money, on jobs that aren't needed. Removing them will save millions aswell as making everyone elses jobs easier, an INCREASE in the quality of service, less wasting peoples time and less money being wasted.
Now the problem is that Labour has left us with no jobs for all those people to move off to after their departments are literally disolved.
Thats why we HAVE to have better tax conditions for companies and richer people.
Whats better, Rich people and companies to pay 90% of the countrys tax balance, then Labour/Lib Dem want to increase that to say 92%, rich people and companies say screw that and can afford to get jobs/set up factories anywhere else in the world. We don't gain 2%, when they leave, we lose 90% of the tax made in this country.
its better to give them a 1% reduction, offering them an incentive to stay, that way we KEEP 89% of the current tax, rather than lose all 92%.
We have to be making deals to get new factories open, offices and public service do NOT generate money for the economy, they just move an ever decreasing amount around in a circle constantly.
Without increased industry this country has NO way to get people off public spending jobs(ones that aren't needed) which means public spending that should be on new doctors, is instead spent on 2-3 extra accountants who aren't needed. Likewise without industry the only way to keep up with this ever increasing public spending is to keep raising taxes, for EVERYONE, and that will be highest on poorer people as rich people and countries will simply move to countries with lower taxes.
We need more jobs, Labour has consistantly lost jobs in the past several decades of increasing tax on companies, they still want to increase tax on companies, EVERY single major employer in the country came out and said their new tax will hurt creating new jobs. Lib Dems "job growth" plans are the same empty promises to the poor ones Labour have.
Live in the real world, realise the more profits big companies make, the more people they can afford to employ with those profits.
Look at the steel maker in Newcastle going bust, if they were taxed 5% less, they probably could go on with the same number of people employeed at a profit, paying millions in tax a year for an indefinate amount of time.
Because they are heavily taxed, they aren't profitable so they are shutting up shop and leaving for a less taxed place where the same work will take the same amount of jobs and they'll pay some other country millions in tax a year.
Whats better getting 55% of nothing, or 45% of millions in profits.......... yes, the latter.
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This makes me almost cry:
Pot. Kettle. x a billion.
Pot. Kettle. x a billion.
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Did anyone see Harriet Harperson address that (I cannot remember what it was called) meeting of the black community in London? She addressed the crowd as "brothers and sisters" 
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Yesterday I settled on voting for the Conservatives here in Bristol West. I will be out leafleting and doorstepping from now till Thursday!
haha you poor deluded soul, the torys don't stand a chance, why don't you vote lib dem to keep labour out
If it wasn't sad it would be funny, you really do not have a clue do you? are you old enough to vote?
wanders of shaking head in disbelief
haha you poor deluded soul, the torys don't stand a chance, why don't you vote lib dem to keep labour out
If it wasn't sad it would be funny, you really do not have a clue do you? are you old enough to vote?
wanders of shaking head in disbelief
What a patronising ****er you are, pot calling kettle black there
I can't wait for a Tory win, can't wait to have all socialists against the wall come the revolution
You realise that there's a fair chance of a Conservative majority, and a strong chance that they will get at least very close?haha you poor deluded soul, the torys don't stand a chance, why don't you vote lib dem to keep labour out
Now now boys, we all know from history that if any party orders people to be put against a wall and shot, its the left revolutionaries, not the freedom loving right wingers.
Reading that back, it sounds oh so cheesey, but I cant be bothered sprucing it up because it is true either way.
Reading that back, it sounds oh so cheesey, but I cant be bothered sprucing it up because it is true either way.
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