Poll: Mods, one last poll before tomorrow?

[Dolph]

oh do come on, we know they wont be able to make efficiency cuts. But we do need major cuts or we will end up like greece.

Indeed, especially as resolving the massive structural problems with our public services is seriously politically unpopular among the irrational masses...

 

[craptakular]

global factors involved = yes
Didn't stop labour mismanaging and making our recession and debt far worse than it needed to be.

I don't know how you can say that, maybe it could have been even worse!

ala Greece or Spain?

I just don't trust Cameron, I'm convinced it will be back to money money and we can wheel Harry Enfield out for more "loads a money" gags

 

[Cosimo]

Really? Isn't it a world recession? i.e. global factors were involved?

That was just the culmination of years of running the economy into the ground.

 

[Glaucus]

I don't know how you can say that, maybe it could have been even worse!

Quite easily, during boom , you don not increase national debt by massive amounts. Artifically making a bigger boom. But when the boom ends you are pressed far harder. We are not out of it yet, we still have massive national debt that needs to be paid.

I just don't trust Cameron, I'm convinced it will be back to money money and we can wheel Harry Enfield out for more "loads a money" gags

You mean you trust any of them? that's your first problem. They are all un trust worthy.

 

[Slam62]

Indeed, especially as resolving the massive structural problems with our public services is seriously politically unpopular among the irrational masses...

not to mention those who are made redundant.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Really? Isn't it a world recession? i.e. global factors were involved?

More Labour leaflet material.

For anyone who still believes Gordon Brown was a fine chancellor, and in no way contributed to our weakened position post-crisis:

- 2001: Adam Smith Institute warns that the “Chancellor is riding for a fall”, and that “the undermining of the competitiveness of the economy since 1997 could leave Britain particularly vulnerable.” (Telegraph)

- 2001: Gordon Brown warned about the dangers of the personal borrowing bubble and potential downturn. The warnings are ultimately ignored. (Telegraph)

- 2003: The IMF warns Gordon Brown that he will breach his own borrowing rules, and stresses the need to cut the mounting public spending deficit. (BBC)

- 2004: The OECD warns Gordon Brown about mounting budget deficit and rate of government borrowing. (BBC)

- 2005: Gordon Brown changes the economic cycle time-frame in which he measured his ‘golden rule’, so that he wouldn’t break it. (Channel Four) (BBC)

- 2005: UK has slowest rate of growth in 12 years. Gordon Brown “still didn’t heed warnings of slow-down”. (BBC)

- 2005: Gordon Brown is warned he is ”on thin ice with the economy”. (BBC)

- 2005: The CBI warns Brown about the criticality his widening budget deficit and spending ‘black hole’. (BBC)

- 2005: “The fact is [Gordon Brown] had already run out of money this time last year” - 2005, Ernst and Young Item Club, leading forecasting group. (BBC)

Gordon Brown Helped Cause the Crisis http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124500992205413331.html

 

[Dolph]

I don't know how you can say that, maybe it could have been even worse!

ala Greece or Spain?

I just don't trust Cameron, I'm convinced it will be back to money money and we can wheel Harry Enfield out for more "loads a money" gags

It could have been worse, but every time this has happened to the UK, it's been under a Labour administration... Labour reversed a surplus into a deficit in not many years at all...

 

[Hatter The Mad]

I don't know how you can say that, maybe it could have been even worse!

ala Greece or Spain?

I just don't trust Cameron, I'm convinced it will be back to money money and we can wheel Harry Enfield out for more "loads a money" gags

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/05/uk-budget-deficit-worse-than-greece

European commission's spring forecasts put UK budget deficit this year at 12% of GDP – the highest in the European Union and worse than Treasury estimates

Whoever wins the election must make sorting out the public finances the top priority, the European commission warned on the eve of the poll, as it predicted the British budget deficit would swell this year to become the biggest in the European Union, overtaking even Greece.

 

[Dolph]

not to mention those who are made redundant.

This is the problem with welfare employment rather than economic employment, it creates this illusion of entitlement to the job and people are shocked when it's taken away.

The trick to preventing this is of course to not employ unnecessary staff doing pointless activities in the first place

 

[Slam62]

I don't know how you can say that, maybe it could have been even worse!

ala Greece or Spain?

I just don't trust Cameron, I'm convinced it will be back to money money and we can wheel Harry Enfield out for more "loads a money" gags

the problem with this is there is no more money, there is not even any wiggle room in the overdraft, we are about to wake up with one hell of a hangover.

I don't want us to end up like greece, it's just very difficult to trust the tories.

 

[craptakular]

Quite easily, during boom , you don not increase national debt by massive amounts. Artifically making a bigger boom. But when the boom ends you are pressed far harder. We are not out of it yet, we still have massive national debt that needs to be paid.


You mean you trust any of them? that's your first problem. They are all un trust worthy.

I dunno, I don't follow politics much, I just can't see how Lib Dem or Tory would have been better.

I'm toying with the idea of emmigrating in a couple of years so you lot can pay the debt hehe

 

[Tute]

I'm voting other, but out of the main three i'd still vote Tory (grudingly).

I wouldn't vote Labour with a gun pointed to my head as their policies consist of throwing money we don't have at every problem they encounter.

I don't agree with the Lib Dem stance on Defence (Trident) and Nuclear energy so I wouldn't vote for them either.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

the problem with this is there is no more money, there is not even any wiggle room in the overdraft, we are about to wake up with one hell of a hangover.

I don't want us to end up like greece, it's just very difficult to trust the tories.

So you are aware there is no more money. You are aware we're about to "wake up"

Yet you won't support the only party wanting to cut government waste now?

 

[Dolph]

the problem with this is there is no more money, there is not even any wiggle room in the overdraft, we are about to wake up with one hell of a hangover.

I don't want us to end up like greece, it's just very difficult to trust the tories.

Realistically, you can either trust Labour (who made the mess, both this time, and the two previous times the country has been in this position), or trust the Tories, who are unpopular precisely because they've fixed this problem twice before...

 

[Slam62]

This is the problem with welfare employment rather than economic employment, it creates this illusion of entitlement to the job and people are shocked when it's taken away.

The trick to preventing this is of course to not employ unnecessary staff doing pointless activities in the first place

a bit late for that though, actually, I don't think even the tories will make big enough cuts.

 

[Glaucus]

I dunno, I don't follow politics much, I just can't see how Lib Dem or Tory would have been better.

because we would have had a smaller boom, but would have had far far far less national debt, when the recession first happened. Thus being in a far better position to weather the storm. That's also ignoring how the recision was handled.

a bit late for that though, actually, I don't think even the tories will make big enough cuts.

Of course they wont, the public is to stupid to think about long-term and it would be far to unpopular. One reason why lib dems power policies is being ignored by so many. Renewable is not sustainable or viable for the majority of our current and future energy needs. Power needs to be thought about in decades, not just a 4 year stint. Thats teh problem with such long lead times.

 

[Lakeland]

All the people who have already lived near one. Anyone with half a brain and not brainwashed by scaremongers.

I've lived a few miles from a nuclear site all my life, I can honestly say it has brought nothing but good to the area, the only negative being the god awful traffic on the main roads

 

[Dolph]

I dunno, I don't follow politics much, I just can't see how Lib Dem or Tory would have been better.

I'm toying with the idea of emmigrating in a couple of years so you lot can pay the debt hehe

The Tories wouldn't have been spending massive amounts more than they were taking in during the Boom years thereby expanding the deficit?

The Tories also wouldn't have introduced the disastrous tripartite regulation system for banks.

 

[Dolph]

a bit late for that though, actually, I don't think even the tories will make big enough cuts.

Neither do I. No-one is planning to start paying back the national debt any time soon, or even balancing the books.

We could live in the vague hope that maybe the public would learn their lesson, vote labour back to the stoneage and bring the liberals in as the opposition... But that would be giving the average voter far too much credit.

 

[Slam62]

So you are aware there is no more money. You are aware we're about to "wake up"

Yet you won't support the only party wanting to cut government waste now?

exactly, I need someone else credible to vote for. Call it a socialist party that has some financial acumen. Maggie and Major have left a very deep scar for some people.