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by giving £3 a week to people that are married/civil partners...wow thats not a massive waste of money just to show they like families.I am of course assuming that comment was supporting the torys

I don't support any party of the UK, but I think tories are the best of the bad bunch.

There is a lack of a liberal-conservative party in the UK, eg. right wing, non authoritarian/liberal and conservative ( unlike Libdems). Here I have a party with which I agree with 95% of all points completely ( they are liberal, but also the 2nd right wing party of them all), better yet, they are the 2nd biggest party in the polls just 2 seats behind the labour party :D. Hope it stays that way as we have elections in exactly a month now here in the NL or I hope they become the biggest.
 
im not voting for any of those clowns.

Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem/Green/BNP they are all controlled by the same vested interests and the country will still be dying a slow death who ever gets 'elected' - if you can call it that after all the revelations of mass vote fraud today.

I shall be spoiling my ballot paper tomorrow.

I agree.

But why do people vote and the spoil there paper?

What's that point of going down if you'r not going to vote for anyone?

I'm just going to stay at home tommorow instead.
 
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and that's our next Prime Minister
 
I don't support any party of the UK, but I think tories are the best of the bad bunch.

There is a lack of a liberal-conservative party in the UK, eg. right wing, non authoritarian/liberal and conservative ( unlike Libdems). Here I have a party with which I agree with 95% of all points completely ( they are liberal, but also the 2nd right wing party of them all), better yet, they are the 2nd biggest party in the polls just 2 seats behind the labour party :D. Hope it stays that way as we have elections in exactly a month now here in the NL or I hope they become the biggest.

This is indeed true, I long for a party like that in the UK. Unfortunately, we're too obsessed as a nation with both telling people what to do and palming off our responsibilities to the state for it to really take off.

What's also worrying is that so many people try to equate right wing economics with a lack of state support for the individual, as opposed to a lack of unfair wealth redistribution.
 
Can we block ban Labour voters here, that way some sort of logic will come back to these forums

I was suprised to read in another thread that you "lived through the blackouts in the 80's". By the amount of drivel you seem to spout across these forums, I wouldn't have put you older than 16.
 
I agree.

But why do people vote and the spoil there paper?

What's that point of going down if you'r not going to vote for anyone?

I'm just going to stay at home tommorow instead.

Then you are missing the point magick. :p

I have much more respect for someone who can be arsed to get down there just to spoil their ballot paper than someone like you who just can't be bothered. If you don't go and register your vote/disdain you really shouldn't be allowed to express an opinion at all.
His spoiled ballot paper is counted, your can't be arsed attitude puts you right up there with the benefit scratters who's votes won't be fought for by the parties. Well done, you have made yourself irrelevant!
If you aren't going to vote/spoil, you have no place in threads like this!
 
Then you are missing the point magick. :p

I have much more respect for someone who can be arsed to get down there just to spoil their ballot paper than someone like you who just can't be bothered. If you don't go and register your vote/disdain you really shouldn't be allowed to express an opinion at all.
His spoiled ballot paper is counted, your can't be arsed attitude puts you right up there with the benefit scratters who's votes won't be fought for by the parties. Well done, you have made yourself irrelevant!
If you aren't going to vote/spoil, you have no place in threads like this!

A spoiled ballot paper puts you up there with the benefit scratters who can't follow simple instructions though. It is in no way seen as a political statement, but an example of your incompetence.
 
A spoiled ballot paper puts you up there with the benefit scratters who can't follow simple instructions though. It is in no way seen as a political statement, but an example of your incompetence.

Just the absolute rubbish I expect from you Dolph.
A spoiled ballot paper is counted as spoiled and is not a reflection of your mental competence.
Good god, you talk drivel sometimes.
 
Don't believe all the papers say, they have their own agenda, ie making money, they will go with what they think is the popular vote whether it is morally right or wrong, they are about money and power only, such as the likes of rupert murdoch = greed and grudge.

Labour have created a social revolution, they have almost eradiated the class system, have introduted the minimum wage, allowed evolutions, improved the NHS.

Don't blame the recession on them, it was american bankers/estate agents that sold the world valueless goods that initially cuased the problem. We may have suffered heavly as labour spent generously/wisley/fairlyl on public services but we did not initialize it.

Now Gordon Brown has been fighting the blairelites for some time and this has worn him down and i am not suprised - they are a determined bunch but they are useless without blair whoo he has run his charming course.

I believe Gordon Brown is one of the most morally conscious men ever to walk the walk on this greath union.

Please don't dismiss him. Vote Labour. The tories are3 still the same, they are the mothership of the BNP..!

You're almost universally wrong, they haven't improved the NHS, its become massively more inefficient, of course its improved over 13 years ago, it would have under any government, because spendings gone absolutely through the roof on it. IF they were spending 100billion a year on it 13 years ago, they'd be spending 200billion on it now due to it growing in size, its not surprising it can treat more people. The treatment they offer per pound spent is of a seriously worse quality than it used to be, the wastage in the NHS has dramatically increased under Blair and Brown.

Morally concious men? he does what he thinks is popular, which is almost ALWAYS the wrong choice.

He'll happily tell people tax is unfair, that the rich people should pay more and poor people should pay less. Without question every single time they've raised tax on the rich they've force companies and rich individuals to leave the country, when one rich guy paying 40% tax on 50million was already paying the tax contribution of 20million in total, vs the average man making 20k a year who pays around 4k tax a year, who do you thinks better off long term? Not the poor people, every time a rich person is scared off by high taxes the poor people have to make up the huge loss.

Its also quite hilarious to suggest a guy whose making money, which generates jobs, and means he's buying expensive houses, eating in expensive restaurants and spending more than any average person on items which are ALL TAXED ON, after already spending 20million on tax, is somehow being taxed unfairly and should pay more.


Brown is a complete moron who was largely responsible for the recession in the UK, he deregulated the banks, had the banks been in less of a ridiculous position the American banks over extending themselves wouldn't have had nearly as dramatic an effect. LIkewise Brown BOUGHT our way out of recession with money we don't have, with money we can't pay back.

Browns plan, of no cuts and increased spending is against what every single person in the world recommends, we need to reduce our debt, Labours projections on Labours plans suggest our debt will increase to 1.4trillion in the next 4 years. Brown being in charge WILL bring around another recession eventually(maybe sooner rather than later), theres only so long you can fund national growth with jobs that aren't required and only so long you can lose industry jobs every day and replace them with NHS jobs the NHS doesn't need.

I was listening to Browns speach in Manchester and his list of "achievements" and it was embarassing.

The NHS is growing and 100 more hospitals have been built, thats great, but most of them are wasted, most of them are required to house all the extra people he's hiring in the NHS to hide unemployment rises, most of it is completely wasted money.

THe problem is, EVERY party, Tories, Lib Dems, BNP even, they would ALL have built new hospitals, and they'd all(except BNP) increase rights for gay people, these are things that just happened due to the times we live in and gay rights being pursued at this time and not 30 years ago. The NHS has been growing every year for 60 years, the fact it continues to grow and be able to treat more people is NOT a sign of Labours brilliance, but a sign of a growing country that needs more hospitals, the problem is how much those hospitals cost.... too much, how many of the jobs in those hospitals are needed, not many, how many of the hospitals were required, no where near 100, how many new doctors/nurses vs new clerical/admin staff were hired, which is quite a ludicrous ratio. We have BY FAR the highest paid nurses IN THE WORLD, with continually increasing wages, the problem is not once in the past 30 years have we had a problem hiring nurses, plenty of people want to be nurses and plenty of people wanted to be nurses when they weren't the best paid in the world, its spending we literally can not afford, yet Labour just blindly gives out pay rises in the public sector as our deficit is growing at an exponential and VERY dangerous rate.

THe problem is, every good thing Brown has done, could have been done MUCH cheaper, much more efficiently, with far less waste and without all the bad things he's done aswell. Labour have ruined the economy for 13 years of over taxing companies, we lose companies and 100k's of jobs a year as companies leave because its just too expensive to operate here. While trying to get an extra couple million tax a year off a company, we cause them to leave, losing 100's of millions in tax they were already paying.

Brown and Blair were greedy, the rich are taxed highly and they wanted more, but instead of paying more tax, they just leave, which leaves the UK with hugely less income for no reason, hugely less jobs, and these jobs are being replaced by non industry, public sector jobs that cost the UK taxpayer, not add to the tax income.
 
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Then you are missing the point magick. :p

I have much more respect for someone who can be arsed to get down there just to spoil their ballot paper than someone like you who just can't be bothered. If you don't go and register your vote/disdain you really shouldn't be allowed to express an opinion at all.
His spoiled ballot paper is counted, your can't be arsed attitude puts you right up there with the benefit scratters who's votes won't be fought for by the parties. Well done, you have made yourself irrelevant!
If you aren't going to vote/spoil, you have no place in threads like this!

I don't understand, so I go down and scribble all over my ballot paper. How will this make more relevent from the governments perspective?
 
Just the absolute rubbish I expect from you Dolph.
A spoiled ballot paper is counted as spoiled and is not a reflection of your mental competence.
Good god, you talk drivel sometimes.

There is no distinction made between deliberately and accidentally spoilt ballot papers, and there is a distinct link between the number of spoilt ballots and the level of education/poverty in an area (source).

As such what I said is entirely true, spoiling your ballot is in no way a meaningful political statement, and is as meaningful as those you vilify for not bothering to leave the house.
 
If i was to vote labour, I would have to vote for Yasmin Qureshi. A Pakistani national who lives in London (looks at location where i am)

A little info why i will not be voting for her

Yasmin Qureshi was born in Gujrat and moved to Britain in 1972 when she was nine. She was recently appointed the London Mayor's Human Rights advisor. She was also Labour Party parliamentary candidate for Brent East, facing an incumbent Lib Dem MP in the 2005 General Election. In August 2007 she was selected by Labour for Bolton South East, inheriting a comfortable majority of over 10,000 votes from retiring MP Brian Iddon.
Yasmin Qureshi qualified as a barrister in 1985. She has worked in the Government Legal Services and the Crown Prosecution Service. She was the Head of the Criminal Legal Section of the UN Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) and later the Director of the Department of Judicial Administration in Kosovo. She is a past President of the Pakistan Club (UK). She is the former Chair of the Human Rights and Civil Liberties Working Group of the Association of Muslim Lawyers.
 
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Gordon Brown is the man they made up the biggest myth about. That he was a safe pair of hands, the economy was "in good hands"
The reality is the complete opposite, he sold the family silver and knowingly borrowed far more than the country could realistically hope to pay back.

However, he does have a gorgeous smile.
 
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