Another of Salamis theories on life.. read me

salami1212 · 6 May 2010 at 04:50

*earlier rambling*

I have another theory aswell.. Now the sun is bigger than the earth now over the course of billions of years the earth is very very slowly moving closer and closer to the sun by the gravitational pull.. when the earth has been gobbled up by the sun, pluto or one of the other planets will be the right temperature for life to form and the whole process starts agenm until there is no planets left in the solar system and the sun dies out, becomes a black hole..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/science_and_environment/10136415.stm

digipeep · 6 May 2010 at 04:54

Fantastic.

Now can you ponder this one. Will Tiger Woods shag another whore?

salami1212 · 6 May 2010 at 04:56

digipeep said:
Fantastic.

Now can you ponder this one. Will Tiger Woods shag another whore?

your simple

touch · 6 May 2010 at 05:11

salami1212 said:
the amount of energy is being reduced

No it's not. Energy is a bit like water in that it never goes away. You cant make energy and you cant kill energy, all you can do is change energy from one type to another. I think what you're referring to is that a certain type of energy (stored, in oil) is reducing but i dont understand what that has to do with evolution, cells and the aims of animals etc?

salami1212 said:
Now the sun is bigger than the earth now over the course of billions of years the earth is very very slowly moving closer and closer to the sun by the gravitational pull..

I didnt know that? (got a source? - i'd be interested to read about it)

Von Smallhausen · 6 May 2010 at 05:27

I have never heard of the Earth moving towards the Sun.

Aren't most things gravitational in our Solar System a titantic pull between Jupiter and the Sun ?

I thought Earth's demise was when the Sun runs out of fuel and expands.

touch · 6 May 2010 at 05:31

Von Smallhausen said:
Aren't most things gravitational in our Solar System a titantic pull between Jupiter and the Sun ?

AFAIK everything in our system orbits the sun and is held in place by the suns mavity. The mavity of other planets only has an effect when things pass close by they sometimes 'wobble' on their orbit.

I would think that if the earth was getting closer to the sun then we would have crashed into it by now as mavity gets exponentially larger the closer you get to an object, so things accelerate towards gravitational pulls.

salami1212 · 6 May 2010 at 08:09

touch said:
No it's not. Energy is a bit like water in that it never goes away. You cant make energy and you cant kill energy, all you can do is change energy from one type to another. I think what you're referring to is that a certain type of energy (stored, in oil) is reducing but i dont understand what that has to do with evolution, cells and the aims of animals etc?

I didnt know that? (got a source? - i'd be interested to read about it)

when you use fossil fuels for man made things for example plastics then once its used its gone ..

and there isnt a source directly but think of it this way..the sun will eventually become a black hole and this will consume the earth..

I have another theory!! The universe is made up of elements and energy right.. Now black holes are sucking up all this energy and light and everything else.. Now one day all the black holes in the universe will have sucked up all the energy and light in the universe right.. What happens when a single cell dies.. it multiplies am i right? the universe is a life bound by laws of physics and made up of elements..

Cr0fty · 6 May 2010 at 08:12

You can't post three theories in one thread; That's quite simply ludicrous, sir!

platypus · 6 May 2010 at 08:20

salami1212 said:
now im not stoned or anything like that, but does that make sense to anyone?

Are you sure? And no.

memyselfandi · 6 May 2010 at 08:21

Cr0fty said:
You can't post three theories in one thread; That's quite simply ludicrous, sir!

Well his "theories" are ludicrous so that fits quite well then ....

:rolleyes:

(to the OP not to Cr0fty)

salami1212 · 6 May 2010 at 08:34

what do you mean no.. tell me sir what happens when a cell dies?

Cr0fty · 6 May 2010 at 08:35

I have one -

What if, like on the Simpsons, our solar system is akin to but one atom in a great organism. Where does this organism inhabit? What does that make us? Who left the oven on?

You see, I've even provided evidence.

memyselfandi · 6 May 2010 at 09:39

salami1212 said:
what do you mean no.. tell me sir what happens when a cell dies?

Well lets look at your last posting above ....

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and there isnt a source directly but think of it this way..the sun will eventually become a black hole and this will consume the earth..

No, as someone else has noted further up the thread the Earth will be destroyed when the Sun expands, i.e. becomes a red giant. After which it will likely collapse and form a dwarf star ,,, it does not have enough mass to collapse further and form a black hole.

I have another theory!! The universe is made up of elements and energy right.. Now black holes are sucking up all this energy and light and everything else.. Now one day all the black holes in the universe will have sucked up all the energy and light in the universe right.. What happens when a single cell dies.. it multiplies am i right? the universe is a life bound by laws of physics and made up of elements..

but what is happening to the energy and matter being sucked into the black hole ...? You are assuming that it is destroyed but we just don't know that .... from our perspective it is equally possible that it's being emitted by white holes in another universe (or where ever)

But how is that related to your comment about cells ... if a cell dies then it dies, it doesn't multiply. The organism may replace the cell using resources and processes it has but that process isn't performed by the dead cell ...

tres · 6 May 2010 at 09:42

There are a few mistakes in your theories - mainly the facts behind them

aardvark · 6 May 2010 at 09:54

all nonsense - pay more attention in school next time.

neodude · 6 May 2010 at 10:05

Black holes also emit energy and without any new matter going into them they do eventually evapourate.

HeadlessChicken · 6 May 2010 at 10:21

touch said:
AFAIK everything in our system orbits the sun and is held in place by the suns mavity. The mavity of other planets only has an effect when things pass close by they sometimes 'wobble' on their orbit.

I would think that if the earth was getting closer to the sun then we would have crashed into it by now as mavity gets exponentially larger the closer you get to an object, so things accelerate towards gravitational pulls.

The distance, angle and tilt of orbit with the Sun changes over ~35,000 years IIRC. Google Milankovich cycles.

My bad, the eccentricity (shape, and therefore distance from Sun) takes ~400,000 years to cycle

semi-pro waster · 6 May 2010 at 11:02

salami1212 said:
maybe the sun is "god" lol..

You're in the company of a fair few ancient religions if you believe in the Sun as god. It's not a particularly common belief these days but have at it and see if you can't increase its popularity again.

Von Smallhausen said:
I have never heard of the Earth moving towards the Sun.

As I understand it the Earth's orbit is slightly elliptical so at points we'll be closer and at others slightly further away but as far as I am aware we're not going to get closer indefinitely - there's a fairly defined path that we take unless there's a cataclysmic shift in the Earth's orbit.

Von Smallhausen said:
I thought Earth's demise was when the Sun runs out of fuel and expands.

That's how I understand it too, it'll run out of fuel (hydrogen) then become a red giant before collapsing back through phases to become a white dwarf where it will cool further and become a black dwarf.

Efour · 6 May 2010 at 11:06

semi-pro waster said:
la lala la la omg!!!! ---- a black dwarf.

send it back

jp_bl_68 · 6 May 2010 at 11:10

salami1212 said:
Ok, I was thinking that basically the earth could be a living thing.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

The Gaia hypothesis, Gaia theory or Gaia principle is a controversial ecological hypothesis or theory proposing that the biosphere and the physical components of the Earth (atmosphere, cryosphere, hydrosphere and lithosphere) are closely integrated to form a complex interacting system that maintains the climatic and biogeochemical conditions on Earth in a preferred homeostasis. Originally proposed by James Lovelock as the earth feedback hypothesis,[1] it was named the Gaia Hypothesis after the Greek primordial goddess of the Earth, at the suggestion of William Golding, Nobel prizewinner in literature and friend and neighbour of Lovelock.[2] The hypothesis is frequently described as viewing the Earth as a single organism.