First buy in 8 years, advice if possible (omg he owns a corsa!)

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Hi guys, i know i only tend to post here if i need advice and rarely make any input myself, but just take it as a compliment that i trust your opinions!

As it stands, i own a 1996 corsa B, yes i know, laugh away. It handles terribly, it's uncomfortable, i'm too tall for it so i drive in a hunched position, my feet keep getting stuck in the footwell and for a 1.4l it has absolutely no torque. With that said nothing has ever gone wrong with it in the 8 years i've owned it so i guess i can't complain. It's only been in the last 7 months that i've needed it for a commute, before that it's just been for occasional use so it did me fine. However I'm finally gainfully employed (after way too many years of education), i've been putting away money for a deposit on a flat but have now realized i've got more than i need and i'm doing a daily commute so i'm looking to upgrade. Now, this is the part where you will likely really lay into me:

I'm considering buying new.

Now hear me out, Vauxhall offer a minimum of £3k exchange on any old Vauxhall, my car will only sell for around £800 on the second hand market so that's a big plus. On top of that my mum, who works for BA, gets a 10% discount on all Vauxhall cars for family members as an employment perk and to top it off i have approximately £1500 worth of GM credit card points which i can only put towads a Vauxhall. So, for a brand new 1.2l, 3 door Corsa i'm looking at just over £5k. I would look at other brands but the family discount and GM points can only be used for Vauxhalls iirc.

From what i've read the new Corsa is being far more positively reviewed in comparison to its former revisions so it does sound like an upgrade. The downgrade from 1.4 to 1.2 isn't desireable but my cars so old now i imagine the difference in BHP and torque is minimal. Is it still madness to go for a brand new car when i can get it for effectively 50% off? Is a Corsa still a terrible car, should i look at other Vauxhalls (Astra isn't too much more, though i'd rather avoid spending much over £5k)?.

Buying second hand is all well and good but i know nothing about cars and i'm rubbish at bartering. I can see myself buying a pup and paying through the nose for it. If you do feel i should go the second hand route, any tips?

[EDIT] Just had a browse of Atras and it's looking to be about £2k more expensive which is probably a bit much sadly.
 
I think if it's half price then you may as well buy new! Provided it's the car you want - I'd urge you to test drive one and make sure your current problems wont be replicated in the new one.
 
You complain about the Corsa being small and having no power, and so you decide to look at a new Corsa with an even tinier engine.

Why not take a look at a used Focus around the 5K mark instead?

Don't be blinded into buying car that doesn't suit your needs just because of the perceived "value".
 
Personally i'd be looking at something bigger and more comfortable if you are really that tall.

The discounts do make it very tempting but you still end up with a Vauxhall.

If your discounts apply to used cars from a Vauxhall dealer then i'd rather do that and get an Astra fully specced or even ('shudder') a Vectra, again, fully specced.

Edit: I'm glad I didn't have to mention a Focus as Peter has already said it \o/
 
Fair point, as little as I like them, perhaps a new astra would be a better option? You still get to use your discount but it's bigger and (possibly) a little less gutless.
 
I think if it's half price then you may as well buy new! Provided it's the car you want - I'd urge you to test drive one and make sure your current problems wont be replicated in the new one.

I will certainly test drive one before i buy, it would be madness not to considering my complaints with my current car. :)

You complain about the Corsa being small and having no power, and so you decide to look at a new Corsa with an even tinier engine.

Why not take a look at a used Focus around the 5K mark instead?

Well as i say, reviews of the new corsa are far more positive, the Corsa B is renowned for being a bit rubbish. The new one is far bigger so all the size issues (the main problem i have with my current car) will likely be resolved. As stated though i'm going to book a test drive before i even consider putting any money down to confirm my assumptions. The engine is a concern though, you're right.

I have been looking as Focuses actually as i think they're great looking cars. What's stopping me is the large discount i can get if i buy a new car, i can't tell whether that discount would outweigh the advantages of buying second hand.


What i may do is, as you say, track down some second hand cars of a similar price point, book a test drive for a new corsa and try driving those second hand cars. Guess it's the only way to tell what is the better value for certain.

If your discounts apply to used cars from a Vauxhall dealer then i'd rather do that and get an Astra fully specced or even ('shudder') a Vectra, again, fully specced./

That's a very good point, i'll have to look into that. Thanks.

Oh and, i'm not actually very tall, it's just that the Corsa B has about the most inefficient design for space ever :p

This is all very early days for me yet, i only decided i needed to upgrade midweek last week so apologies if i'm being indecisive.
 
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i drive a focus, i'd rather to have a focus for £5k than brand new corsa for £5k. i wouldnt care about the discount.

even £5k astra is better than brand new £5k corsa.
 
Just been browsing pistonheads, 2004 MX5 with 44k miles for less than £5k? Clearly i need to do some rethinking as you obviously can get a hell of a lot for £5k on the second hand market.
 
It's a long time since I've driven a Corsa B so I can't really remember what they're like to drive but I can remember they're worse than my old Nova. The most recent Corsa however is actually ok and a massive improvement on the previous generation. The 1.2 is perfectly adequate in that it'll sit at 90 easily enough on the motorway (I had a 1.2 hire car upto 120 down a big hill and it still felt fairly stable) and is reasonable to drive on twisty roads. There's some steering feel and it grips fairly well, certainly to the extent that the forum favourite the Fiesta isn't actually any better to drive.

It'll feel a lot bigger inside than your old one but the boot is really tiny. In your position I'd be looking at a new Astra or trying to get a even better discount on the previos generation model.
 
Thanks for the feedback Gribs, it good to hear that the new revision is indeed a big improvement over its predecessors. I've not written it off yet, i just need to get off my backside and book a test drive so i can have a proper think about what i should invest in.

With my current car i need a steep hill and the wind behind me to hit 90mph, so it also sounds a lot nippier. Also at 90mph it was brown trousers time, the car felt like it was going to explode.
 
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i drive a focus, i'd rather to have a focus for £5k than brand new corsa for £5k. i wouldnt care about the discount.

even £5k astra is better than brand new £5k corsa.

The big point is 'id' not everybody shares the same likes and opinions. A brand new Corsa is excellent for £5k, they are good cars, much better than Corsas of old.

End of the day you just need to go with what is best for you, it’s all a personal choice, if you picked every recommendation you would be driving a Ford Focus or Mondeo, and frankly what a boring UK road sight that would be. To say you would end up with a Vauxhall is frankly funny, Ford are not in a better light so I will say 'well you will just end up with a Ford'?
 
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Would it be possible to buy the Corsa then immediately flog it? You'd end up with a larger amount of cash to spend on something else?
 
The big point is 'id' not everybody shares the same likes and opinions. A brand new Corsa is excellent for £5k, they are good cars, much better than Corsas of old.

End of the day you just need to go with what is best for you, it’s all a personal choice, if you picked every recommendation you would be driving a Ford Focus or Mondeo, and frankly what a boring UK road sight that would be. To say you would end up with a Vauxhall is frankly funny, Ford are in not better light so what to say 'well you will just end up with a Ford'?

Ford are generally considered much better cars than Vauxhalls. Though some argue that the Insignia is better than the new Mondeo.
 
Would it be possible to buy the Corsa then immediately flog it? You'd end up with a larger amount of cash to spend on something else?

This is also something i had considered. How much would i get for it after buying? I don't have the foggiest as I can't say i've seen many 'Brand new Corsa with 10 miles on the clock' for sale and as previously stated, know nothing about cars.

Part of the problem is every sod has a 7 year old car to trade in, so that instantly knocks the £3k discount off of the resale value.
 
Ford are generally considered much better cars than Vauxhalls. Though some argue that the Insignia is better than the new Mondeo.

Well Corsa and Fiesta, nothing in it.
New Astra and Focus, the Astra is better.
The Insignia and Mondeo the Insignia is better.

The above is my own take from car reviews so my own opinion.

To say Ford is much better is wrong. They are on a level playing field now.
 
if you wont value other people's opinions, have you actually test drive the new corsa? you complained the corsa is too small, slow etc.

new corsa wont be 10x better than old corsa. focus is

my cornered is you plan to keep the new car for long time, i think you might regretted. £5K focus will last you 5 years
 
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I'd be tempted to buy it and then flog in on straight away for extra cash then you have more money to spend on something you'd actually like.

My ex used to work for Vxl so would get his 17.5% partners discount (10% on sports models) and then flog them on and get himself an upgrade.
 
This is also something i had considered. How much would i get for it after buying? I don't have the foggiest as I can't say i've seen many 'Brand new Corsa with 10 miles on the clock' for sale and as previously stated, know nothing about cars.

Part of the problem is every sod has a 7 year old car to trade in, so that instantly knocks the £3k discount off of the resale value.

That thought just crossed my mind too.

There are year old, lesser specced examples up at 9k

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1598455.htm

Which negates the issue of swappage/scrappage. I'd be inclined to advertise it at £8500 and just be honest - say you could get a blinding deal new but you want something bigger.
 
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