Actually, I don't. All I have to ask myself is "Does God cause suffering?" and the answer is, unequivocally, yes. As I am agnostic I do not have to justify Gods actions in any way, shape or form.
But you evidently believe in God as you just said He causes suffering. Agnostic professes that it is not possible to prove the existence of a ‘first cause’ or a god.
So it is OK to murder babies to do that?
Erm, no it is not ok but if you read the bible you can see that God more than warns people to change their ways – some do some don’t but it is the people who have brought it upon themselves and their households.
As for babies, they obviously had no choice whatsoever so there is an age of accountability where someone can know right from wrong, sin basically, obviously young children and babies come into that category. Also someone would probably want to bring up mentally disabled people as not having the opportunity to know right from wrong, they would fall into that category.
But murdering babies is OK if God does it. See above. We also have to assume that every single person deserves death. Which seems a bit of a stretch.
Of course it's a stretch because you're a fence sitter and don't know what you believe because your agnostic - no offence but how can you possibly argue this topic without either believing in God (in whatever form you choose) or are an atheist?
Fact is Jesus will judge each and every one of us to see, 1) whether our names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life…… i.e. born again, 2) according to our works for those whose names are in there.
Does that mean gay sex is back on? It seems leveticus is always trotted out when arguing against it. And I am not arguing religion, I am just answering the question "Does God cause suffering?". He may well do it from a well meaning or justified stance, but the evidence is that he causes suffering.
Whatever does it for you mate, I prefer my wife thanks.
Read my first comments. If I shoot you in the face that has nothing to do with God, I held the gun and pulled the trigger, my choice and free will decision, you die or are seriously wounded and I suffer punishment from the government and if I haven’t repented (truly) to God then I will go to hell.
To be honest my main problem with your version of God is that he set the whole system up to be against me. He knows fully well that due to upbringing and mental makeup (things completely outside of my control) I am unable to accept God without proof. He is also not going to provide such proof. So therefore according to the rules he set in place I am damned. Forgive me if I do not seem enamoured with such a diety.
LOL, does make me laugh that comment – it isn’t MY version.
You obviously think God setup the system to be against you as you don’t understand it, I suggest you read John with an open mind.
Actually mate we are all born into many different family situations. Differing ethic, moral and class systems which is why you can read the life of Jesus and the disciples were reaching out to everyone that wanted to hear, Jew, gentile, black, white or whatever.
Why would God want to prove He exists when He has done that and more already? Jesus, creation, biblical history – oh but wait, you don’t really believe much of those or choose to sit on the fence so that proof isn’t good enough.
Truth is at the turn of the Old/New Testament there were people waiting for the much prophesied Messiah (Jesus). Things like where He would be born, what He would say, do and ultimately the Cross that He would hang from, all for our sins were in the Jewish scriptures. Thing is some of the people who were waiting for this and actually met Jesus, spoke to Him and saw His miracles still chose not to believe – they saw THE Son of God and that wasn’t enough.
Christianity is about faith, the bible states that if we truly seek then God will give us the faith to believe, by grace.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
