VXR Crash @ The Ring last weekend ....

Alex UK said:
Do you understand the word 'chav'? Obviously not. Nothing he said there makes him a chav.

Come off it. Sure, technicalities and rules may say it isn't a track, but in practice it is. Is it used by members of the public to get from one place to another? No. Do you see any commuters trying to get work? Of course not. People turn up and thrash their cars around as quickly as possible.
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What like the Evo Triangle or tens of other roads that attract people for no other purpose than to drive them?

Going around the Ring is vastly different to doing a track day at Bedford Autodrome for example.
 
For all intents and purposes it's a track.

Whilst it might be referred to as a 'one way toll road', single lane roads outisde of built-up areas are subjected to a 100km/h speed limit in Germany.
Nobody travels on the 'ring when popping to the shops.
 
Janesy B said:
What like the Evo Triangle or tens of other roads that attract people for no other purpose than to drive them?
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Yes but the Evo Triangle and suchlike are still used by the public as roads, you know, to get to places. The same can't be said for the 'Ring.
 
Janesy B said:
What like the Evo Triangle or tens of other roads that attract people for no other purpose than to drive them?

Going around the Ring is vastly different to doing a track day at Bedford Autodrome for example.
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Were any of those other roads initially designed and built as race tracks with pit areas, track style kerbing, armco barriers, gravel traps and so on?

It's a race track that allows public access under the guise of a toll road. It is clearly not a normal road though and to argue otherwise is really just massive pedantry.
 
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Alex UK said:
Thank Christ someone else understands.
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Okay, fine its a track where you can't race, have timing equipment, be deemed to be driving outside of legal limits, heavily observed by the german police, subject to german traffic law and is governed by speed limits in parts. A racetrack by definition then eh? :)
 
Janesy B said:
Okay, fine its a track where you can't race, have timing equipment, be deemed to be driving outside of legal limits, heavily observed by the german police, subject to german traffic law and is governed by speed limits in parts. A racetrack by definition then eh? :)
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You can't race or having timing equipment at a normal trackday either.

Heavily observed by police? Not really, they'll only turn up if there's been an accident

I don't remember seeing any speed limits on it either!

Only thing you've got on it is the German Traffic Law, which is more of a technicality to allow it to be as free and open as it is.
 
Kenai said:
Were any of those other roads initially designed and built as race tracks with pit areas, track style kerbing, armco barriers, gravel traps and so on?

It's a race track that allows public access under the guise of a toll road. It is clearly not a normal road though and to argue otherwise is really just massive pedanticism.
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The Ring has hardly any run off areas, for the most part its grass then armco, not lovely big run off areas with gravel traps and nice tyres to cuddle you, as the Astra driver found out.
 
So race tracks now by definition have to have large run off areas then or they're not a race track?

"A race track (or 'racetrack' or 'racing track') is a purpose-built facility for racing of animals (e.g. horse racing or greyhound racing), automobiles, motorcycles or athletes."

Sounds like the Ring to me, just the Ring also allows public toll access.
 
For clarity for the hard of understanding, the Nurburgring Nordschleife and Sudschleife were designed from day one as race circuits which though made up from some public roads when closed they form race circuits. Elements of them were built specifically for the completion of the race circuit and it is, without question a road racing circuit.....two race circuits actually.

I take Chris Nixon's 'Kings of the Nurburgring' as my point of reference.
 
This whole track or not debate has been sparked pretty indrectly though.

I am pretty sure the premise is you do not need balls to drive/race/pace set on the ring and that it should be respected and treated like a B road which it is far closer to than many many pure race tracks with gravel traps, tyre walls and generally more rules and safety.

There is clearly enough doubt about the ring as to its status as a piece of tarmac that insurers exclude it by name. But that's not the point.
 
I understand to an extent, the point I suppose I am trying to get it is you can't just turn up and treat it like Brands or Silverstone. It isn't up to the same standards as a proper race track, some of the dips in the road/track are enough to send you flying/bottom out and the track has little room for error. Maybe it is a track by another name and a road by technicality, but it needs to be treated with more respect than the average circuit, like a B road really.
 
Janesy B said:
The Ring has hardly any run off areas, for the most part its grass then armco, not lovely big run off areas with gravel traps and nice tyres to cuddle you, as the Astra driver found out.
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Oulton Park and Cadwell dont really have much run-off.

Your being a gayer here, if its a normal road, why doesnt your insurance cover you ;)
 
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