S2000 Info Please :)

Sin_Chase said:
Getting the bolts checked is actually a really straightforward job, if they are not corroded you can pay a specialist an hour or 2 labour to get them out, grease them then pay for a geoemtry.

It's only once they are corroded and stuck the £££ racks up.
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and is it an issue on all S2000's?

Honda didn't realise their mistake and sort it out on later cars?
 
Sin_Chase said:
This is the last time I will say it.

There are no UK AP2 cars. They are all AP1 which have the AP2 styling changes.

When you are next at work go and read the engine code, F20C right? 2.0 Litre.
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your so wrong, the chassis codes we write down from the windscreen sticker or vin plate or at the bottom/left of the windscreen are all AP2! we don't have any AP1 onsite as they are too old, and can't be resold, they would only be good for auction.

engine code is F22C thankyou very much.
 
Japan, better roads, less salt - less chance of it being an issue.

Honda UK should have recognised it years ago and greased the bolt as part of the PDI. It's no surprise they did not though. Some cars had the shipping spacers left in the suspension springs only to have them discovered years later MUCH at the expense of ride quality and handling ability.
 
stulid said:
your so wrong, the chassis codes we write down from the windscreen sticker or vin plate or at the bottom/left of the windscreen are all AP2! we don't have any AP1 onsite as they are too old, and can't be resold, they would only be good for auction.

engine code is F22C thankyou very much.
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"Too old" you talk like AP1 was phased out by AP2 - it was not.

You do realise the S2000 has been out of production for a while now?

If you have 2.2 Litre cars they are from North America or Japan. The UK GT100/GT/Non-GT cars from 2009 are AP1 F20C engined cars.
 
The F20C's bore is 87 mm (3.4 in) and stroke is 84 mm (3.3 in).

Applications:
1999-2004 Honda S2000 (Japan)
2000-2003 Honda S2000 (F20C1) (North America)
1999–present Honda S2000 (United Kingdom, Europe, Australia)

Straight from Wiki
 
Sin_Chase said:
The F20C's bore is 87 mm (3.4 in) and stroke is 84 mm (3.3 in).

Applications:
1999-2004 Honda S2000 (Japan)
2000-2003 Honda S2000 (F20C1) (North America)
1999–present Honda S2000 (United Kingdom, Europe, Australia)

Straight from Wiki
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Try the Honda Website, they have a degree of motivation to keep their site updated and current, unlike Wiki.
 
Right, I will reply properly :P

regardless what the poster further up stated there are, for absolute 110% certainty no official UKDM AP2 2.2 S2000's.

Incorrectly, people in the UK call 2004 revision onwards S2000's AP2. This goes in line with USDM and JDM markets which in part recieved 2.2 engine upgrades. CR and Type S models (From US and Japan respectively) were also called AP2, had 2.2 engines, but had the soft top removed and were more 'track' focused with uprated suspension.

Unfortunately I would have to disagree with Sin Chases opinion on handling. There are quite noticable differences between model years. This is mainly down to different thickness Anti Roll Bars. Early cars (up to 2002) had the thickest anti roll bars, and they progressively got thinner until 2008, when the final years cars went up in thickness again. This was due to the thicker arb's giving more 'on edge' handling, and the thinner ones gave a softer drive, reducing issues with the car snapping on the limit.

Adjustors are absolutely paramount to the cars handling. The car is EXCEPTIONALLY sensitive to Tyres, Tyre Pressure and Alignment/Geometry of the suspension. When I got my car on the right tyres with all the alignment sorted the handling was absolutely incredible, I honestly couldn't believe it was the same car. Ensure that you get a car where adjustors have full range of movement and the car has been aligned accordingly. Fully polybushing the car if all the bushes need replacing is circa £1000.

Wheels In Motion (Chesham, Bucks), Centre mavity (Atherstone, Midlands ish), TGM (In Fleet, Hampshire) and Garage R (Up Noorf) are the places that I would look to have in the cars history for geometry work.

Servicing wise if you wanted to be really picky I'd be looking for a car that had been serviced by Jorge at Crown Honda, Bushey or by Garage R. A lot of main dealers make hillarious mistakes (wrong oil filter anyone?) but unfortunately the number of s2000 trained mechnics in the main dealer network is falling. I've just switched to Hamish at Moto Dynamics due to his NSX and S2000 experience and I am very happy with his work to date.

It's totally normal for there to be a lot of valvetrain noise. However, if the car has EVER been over revved you basically have the ticking time bomb issue. Eventually it will drop a valve (be that 1,10,20,50k miles later) and its nearly always pulled back to an over rev. The AP2 (F22C) has redesigned keepers for the valves and this is a common fix in the US (not so big over here in the UK). Another ticking noise can be the Timing Chain Tensioner (TCT) which is about £100 quid and 20 minutes work to fix. This is usually caused by the TCT at some point running dry of oil, no major issue to fix, but question the maintenance the owner claims to have performed.

Drivers lower and side bolsters wear badly, this is normal, but try and get the best seats you can. I have repaired mine to a decent enough standards for my likings, there aren't many after market seat choices due to space.

Hopefully this helps... and I'm sure I have typed up all this before ;)
 
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theboyrob said:
and is it an issue on all S2000's?

Honda didn't realise their mistake and sort it out on later cars?
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Tollerance between the bushings and the bolt is so tight water some how gets in and can't get out. dis-similar metal use then causes the corrosion to get quite bad. Regularly copper slipping them resolves the issue
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Try the Honda Website, they have a degree of motivation to keep their site updated and current, unlike Wiki.
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You mean like Honda Happiness warranty which is JUST like a Honda warranty and not from a 3rd party...oh wait....it's from a 3rd party and NOTHING like a Honda Warranty.

Considering the S2000 is now out of production how would the Honda UK website be of any use anyway?

I give up.

For anyone who sees sense - All UK cars are 2.0 Litre's unless imported from N.America or Japan.

For everyone else - Argue about it being a 2.2.
 
Conanius said:
Unfortunately I would have to disagree with Sin Chases opinion on handling.
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Scan reader! :(

"The facelift stuff will not change how the car drives and the only thing dictating that is the suspension revisions over the years."

Oh yeah, 17" alloys versus 16" changes the ride also. You want 17s :D

There are differences in opinion which year is the "best" but as Conanius outlined there is a generally accepted view that the early models were the sharpest and most likely to land you in a hedge, they softened it, then slowly started to bring it back in-line to the early models, more-so in the 2009 cars. Nothing is stopping you doing ARB, bushing or other suspension work to make any year handle like any OEM year though. My 06 is polybushed and handles awesomely with a fast-road geometry.
 
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Sin_Chase said:
You mean like Honda Happiness warranty which is JUST like a Honda warranty and not from a 3rd party...oh wait....it's from a 3rd party and NOTHING like a Honda Warranty.

Considering the S2000 is now out of production how would the Honda UK website be of any use anyway?
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Errr someone was suggesting they were still available to buy... you know, like if they said manufactured dates 1999-present.
 
It's because it took 800 hours to put together by 800 foreign workers in an 800sq foot space!

Cookie for me?!!?

S800 was immense, higher red-line the than S2000. Would love to have a blast in one :cool:
 
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