20th Century fox vs Newzbin

What about selling DVD's on eBay, the movie companies aren't getting any money from you then. Are they, except for the original purpose? Searching for DVD's on there, there's countless pages of films for sale.

I'm not sticking up for piracy, it's just we never hear about alternate ways facing law suits.
 
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Durzel said:
I find the mentality that it's a-ok to copy someones time & effort pretty amazing to be honest, it seems there are a lot of people out there who see it as their right to pirate stuff and that somehow the likes of TPB and Newzbin being taken out of commission is "wrong"?

Do you all seriously consider that any intangible content "deserves to be free" and that the creator of it - irrespective of whether they happen to be some random guy programming in their spare time hoping to one day sustain themselves with the proceeds of selling their work or a behemoth like EA - doesn't deserve recompense for their efforts?

I seriously don't understand how it is that some people are happy to pay someone for their intangible expertise (e.g. plumber, mechanic, etc) but when it comes to software - movies, music, games - the author deserves to be ripped off?

Piracy is sustained from the fact that there are still people out there going out and buying albums, buying games from shops and visiting the cinema. If everyone pirated stuff (i.e. paid nothing for it) where do you envisage the money comes from to reward or even sustain the people that created the content? They've got to pay the bills as well, they can't pay their mortgage with good will...

Food for thought?
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What I love is when they say that they're doing it to help the artists.
 
ChrisJSY said:
Being a person who avoids advertisements I can't say they are losing out of the money I'd never give them. What about TV stations, how do they lose out?
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They both lose out if everyone is downloading the shows before they air here. The advertisers have smaller audiences and as such the stations can't demand as much for advertising slots so they both lose out, the advertisers lose potential market and the station loses potential revenue.

Sukh said:
So people who forward through adverts on Sky+ are evil?
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Not evil but you can be damn sure if they could have figured out a cost effective way of preventing that happening, it would have at the least been seriously looked into.
 
drunkenmaster said:
The fact is even if every single last newzbin type site got shut down for providing easy access to downloading illegal materials, we just go back the old and slightly more inconvienient days of, painfully, downloading headers daily and searching for the files you want. Tedious and slow at times, but not hard, set some headers downloading, go away for ages, come back and search for what you want.
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While I agree that they aren't cutting off the root of the problem, I think they are just going by the 80/20 rule - they want to stop usenet fuelled piracy being so mainstream. Nowadays with sites such as this it is all too easy for just average internet users to start downloading dodgy stuff. Whereas go back 10 years and it was a lot more underground, it was only a very small minority of people who were doing it. Newsgroups are fast becoming the new torrents when it comes to mainstream appeal (the one plus side being we hopefully won't get so many cringeworthy "lol torrent n00b, newzgr00ps r where it's at!!" pseudoelitist type posts on forums such as these).

So the plan isn't to stamp out newsgroup piracy, it's simply to make it less accessible.

Of course, in the long term one would expect things to creep back up.
 
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Kenai said:
They both lose out if everyone is downloading the shows before they air here. The advertisers have smaller audiences and as such the stations can't demand as much for advertising slots so they both lose out, the advertisers lose potential market and the station loses potential revenue.
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Answers me question thank you, I am not effecting this market because
1: Don't watch advertisements or much live tv, always watch things when I want.
2: I have never bought something from advertising on television.

So me downloading shows, as I said is hurting nobody.
All the british shows I watch is either through iplayer or if they mess up the high res uploads, I download them. BBC Don't advertise right? So no arguments against me there ;)
 
Clown said:
So the server holds the text files which are illegal?
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Essentially yes, but its no different to saying Google might hold some illegal content on their email servers that people have sent each other. A usenet server hosts user provided data, which may or may not break copyright.

There is also ample legal data on their servers, for example the text system that Usenet was originally designed for which is still very active today, and a very useful resource.
 
RDM said:
Less people watch the shows so they sell less advertising.
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That's how the circle works.

Production companies make TV shows on the sole basis of the fact that they can sell them to television networks, who will then decide whether to buy that show on terms of how successful they think it will be in terms of selling advertising to fund their network.

If they don't have the viewing figures, they can't entice the advertisers that are going to pay the big bucks. Likewise, the TV stations are not going to see much profit from a show, thus won't bother renewing a contract and that's when TV shows end up getting canceled.
 
tntcoder said:
Essentially yes, but its no different to saying Google might hold some illegal content on their email servers that people have sent each other. A usenet server hosts user provided data, which may or may not break copyright.

There is also ample legal data on their servers, for example the text system that Usenet was originally designed for which is still very active today, and a very useful resource.
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Why are those text files illegal? I thought that's how it stayed out of trouble for so long because the text files itself aren't illegal. If people choose to combine a bunch if text files and decode them to make something more useful to them, that's their own prerogative and it is something that is being done off the usenet server.

This is why I am slightly confused about what Newzbin and TPB got nabbed for if the data they are hosting are not actually illegal.
 
Clown said:
Why are those text files illegal? I thought that's how it stayed out of trouble for so long because the text files itself aren't illegal. If people choose to combine a bunch if text files and decode them to make something more useful to them, that's their own prerogative and it is something that is being done off the usenet server.

This is why I am slightly confused about what Newzbin and TPB got nabbed for if the data they are hosting are not actually illegal.
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I suppose you could argue that, but it's pretty weak. Does chopping something illegal into small pieces make it legal? The encoding/decoding is comparable to putting something in a ZIP file and extracting it again.
 
Clown said:
This is why I am slightly confused about what Newzbin and TPB got nabbed for if the data they are hosting are not actually illegal.
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Because they (newsbin, tpb) are just small websites run by individuals, and there's just a few of them. Easy target?

Usenet servers are run by HUGE companies, ISPs, etc, and are scattered world-wide. They wouldn't know who to sue first.
 
Nexus said:
Oh come on, that's an outright lie! :p
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Why is that so hard to believe?
You must be easy to influence into buying things if you can't believe that.

You wouldn't believe how long I haven't actually watched television for either, but I'm not the only person in my household so cable/tv license is still paid.
Actually I can't remember the last time I watched TV it's been that long.
 
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