OcUK Book Club #8: Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. - Cat's Cradle

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Time to give the club another bash I think. Just to reiterate: anyone is free to join and contribute to any discussion at any time. :)

We also have a group, which can be found here, where links to the past threads are indexed.

I've taken the liberty of picking this book out from the previous list which I've now merged with the new selections to get us going again.

So, without further ado. I give you: Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. - Cat's Cradle, as submitted by strumpusplunket and picked by myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat's_Cradle

Cat's Cradle is a 1963 novel by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. It explores issues of science, technology, and religion, satirizing the arms race and many other targets along the way. After turning down his original thesis, the University of Chicago, in 1971, awarded Vonnegut his Master's degree in anthropology for Cat's Cradle.

The title of the book derives from the string game "cat's cradle". Early in the book we learn that Felix Hoenikker (a fictional co-inventor of the atom bomb) was playing cat's cradle when the bomb was dropped, and the game is later referenced by his son. [...]

Enjoy!
 
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Will order it later. How long have we got to read it? Month, week?

As far as I'm concerned you've got pretty much as long as it takes but normally I'd suggest not posting spoilers until at least a fortnight has gone by as a matter of courtesy. If you've read it before that point then feel free to post your thoughts on the book generally and a more detailed critique once a few more people have had a chance to read it.

Book is now ordered so hopefully I'll have it by the weekend.
 
Ordered myself a copy too. I'll join in later for this as I'm still reading Cosmos by Carl Sagan at the moment. :)

Take as long as you need/want to read and contribute. If you just want to read and observe, you can do that too. As above, the only unwritten rule so to speak, is that we try not to post spoilers straight away. Indeed, when people do talk about the book, it's usually good form to include a little spoiler header (see other threads for an example) so as no to ruin the plot or story for anyone still enjoying the book.
 
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Just finished Cat's Cradle today, very interesting and enjoyable book. How's anyone else getting on with it?

Finished it this morning while i was having a dump :D

I still cannot decide if i enjoyed it or not to be honest, it's definitely an interesting way of writing a book but i think i prefer the more conventional way with longer chapters etc

Yeah it was interesting but maybe not long enough to go into all the intricacies of bokononism etc.
 
Right, finished reading this last night. It's an okay book, but I think its impact on the audience suffers as it’s now become a little dated.

To appreciate the book in full, we have to understand it as an anthropological commentary and misanthropic attack on the pomp of mankind. Couple this with the obvious connotations of being set and written during the madness of the Cold War, we begin to develop more of a feel and understanding of what Vonnegut was really trying to achieve.

Being the walking contradiction that is a misanthropic humanist myself, obviously the message was probably watered down somewhat but I believe in the time it was written with the chest beating, nationalist idiocy that the Cosby's personified being mainstay, it was far more vitriolic.

Although Vonnegut doesn't use any technical or deep plot devices or narrative, he does often use themes and ideas as his area of interest. This too also becomes another source of parody; Bokononism being one of them. Bokononism itself was an almost meaningful play and insight into the human condition, but more of a satirical swipe at both theology in general, and the unflattering truth of how humans tend to both create and desire such tools just to endure the very issue of being. I did however, enjoy the concept of the karass and the granfalloon. I did find it quite enjoyable at the end when Vonnegut once again took a mighty swipe at such illusory segregation when the Crosby's et al. were shouting at the Volcanoes "American! American!", this in turn of course, probably also being a small joke at the expense of the intelligence such patriots.

The book overall seemed to be a light hearted social commentary, feeling almost as if it was written simply to pass the boredom away (the irony!). It's certainly worth a read if you're that way inclined, but I can't really say with honesty that it did anything spectacular for me. There were elements of humour, but I also feel that the dead-pan element of the book has been somewhat overrated. I think the true message and joy in the book is to be found in the characters themselves and what they represent, as opposed to the plot or setting. There is far more to be explored surrounding the human condition of the ragtag group of individuals than there is regarding the social commentary or parody of world destruction. Which, incidentally, does happen all rather quickly, but then, how else would we expect it to be?

Above all, the book is a critique against man's self-flattery and the illusion that he actually knows or understands anything. Bokononism as a theology through its calypsos and other insights clearly underpins this commentary. The climax of the story, through its incogruous and surreal nature again emplifies man's lack of power and understanding of the big picture. Ice-9 is obviously a similie for the atomic bomb, but the point is the same: an indifferent man created such power (searching just for truth) without much care for anything else or who benefits and how, and man is far too stupid, and immature to be truly responsible for bringing such things into existance. This is not to say that Vonnegut was a seething misanthrope who hated mankind and all it represented; far from it. I think in reality, Vonnegut was gently trying to prod society in the 'right' direction.

Perhaps my favourite part of the book - A Bokononist interpretation of Biblical allegory:

God made mud.
God got lonesome.
So God said to some of the mud, “Sit up!”
“See all I’ve made,” said God, “the hills, the sea, the sky, the stars.”
And I was some of the mud that got to sit up and look around.
Lucky me, lucky mud.
I, mud, sat up and saw what a nice job God had done.
Nice going, God.
Nobody but you could have done it, God! I certainly couldn’t have.
I feel very unimportant compared to You.
The only way I can feel the least bit important is to think of all the mud that didn’t even get to sit up and look around.
I got so much, and most mud got so little.
Thank you for the honor!
Now mud lies down again and goes to sleep.
What memories for mud to have!
What interesting other kinds of sitting-up mud I met!
I loved everything I saw!

The Books of Bokonon
 
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Time to pick our next title I think.

The first person to correctly answer the following question will get to play stick or twist. :)

Q: To which author does the the quote "People in rags do not revolt." belong?

Numbers are between 1-35 excluding 32.
 
Stick Semi-pro! I've wanted to read that book for a while.

You're in luck as so have I. Unfortunately for me though I've left the copy I had up in Edinburgh so unless I find one kicking about here I'll be buying another. I'll stick please Nix, I think that might be the first time so far that anyone has gone with their first choice.
 
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