Rape Accused not to be granted anonymity

Aren't common? I've seen it happen all too often from old friends to people I've "sort of known" to an ex who was going to when she came back to live with me, luckily I found out before (pity emails to her "friends) or it was just an idle attempt at some sort of twisted sympathy.

There was a case over here just recently where two girls claimed someoned raped them, a year ago. Their story was riddle with innacuracies and at time were self admitting that they were in no state of mind at the time of the alleged encounter to sound trust worthy.

One said she thought she was with her boyfriend, sounds to be she can't handle her alcohol, led said guy on and he can't have been wiser to know she didn't want anything.
She admitted it was "pleasant" until she realised it wasn't who she thought it was.

I find it amazing you can even begin to believe someone can get to the stages of intercourse before knowing who you're doing it with then having the gaul to accuss rape.

His name was plastered everywhere, papers, news, online and the girls? nope.
So, does the rest of civilisation get some sort of warning on who these people are and not trust them? If I found out someone was found wrong of accusing rape like this one I'd run the hell away. These people do not give authentic cases of rape any help whatsoever, people who lie through their teeth like this are just as bad and deserve repurcussions if enough evidence against them is given.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Source please.
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If you come back with a source which say that they are common. Trouble is, false accusations are news, real accusations are not unless a celeb is involved. And in those cases everyone just assumes it's a false accusation. People also seem to assume that because a complaint is withdrawn, it must have been false. They also assume that if the case is not proven in court then it must have be a lie. Neither are necessarily true: a fair proportion of accusations of most crimes are withdrawn, but only in the case of rape is noted in large detail.

The fact is, there is almost no research on how many accusations are false. I've seen one paper (from the US IIRC) and that had a methodology so flawed it should never have been published. People, men in particular, want to assume that accusations are often false.


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People side with their own sex unfortunately. So it works both ways.

I think papers should be held accountable for referencing non-guilty verdicts and pay compensation or even make it illegal. Don't use innocent people to build a case by publicising it. Instead focus on bringing forward and breakdown the mental barriers that prevent the victims coming forward.
 
I always remember a story from the 80s about what happened to a mate of mine.
It was friday night/sat morning when the Police kicked his door down and took him off to the station.
Over the weekend he was subjected to hours & hours of interrogation for rape and remember these were the days of Ashes To Ashes so they weren't very PC.
On the monday the victim was invited to an identity parade and on seeing my mate she laughed and said 'Oh, there's Pete who lives near me, what's he doing here?'.
When the incident happened she knew who it was and gave a name and rough address to the Police who looked on their computers and found my mate who had been in trouble at Port Vale so decided to pull him.
The thing was it took him years to get that 'accusation' taken of his record.
 
I agree with this, I dont like how a "some" women cry wolf. They think its ok to mess up another persons life simply because they are feeling emotional. This does make me worry that those women will now think it is even more ok to do such a thing due to there being anonymity.
I think there should be tougher laws on false allegations or automatic compensation. IF the woman was indeed found to be lying 100%, obviously we dont want to discourage the real women from reporting such incidents.
 
NickK said:
People side with their own sex unfortunately. So it works both ways.
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Well the truth is there are a lot of men who are self loathing misandrists and play the women are "sugar, and spice, and all things nice" card. So on balance you tend to hear more about the rights of the accuser than the accused.
 
Strife212 said:
Also known as...a false claim?
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I wouldn't automatically make that jump that because someone is acquitted it must have been a false claim, it could be that there was a lack of evidence to support the accusation (even if it is true, the situation is usually one where it is the word of one party against the other) in which case an acquittal is bound to follow (England do not have the verdict of not proven that Scotland does) or indeed that it was a misunderstanding as Dolph says e.g. one party thought that there was full consent, the other may have thought they had withdrawn it although it was unclear.

This is a rather tricky situation, while there may be some value in encouraging victims to come forward where the accused is named that has to be balanced against the risk and stigma for those who are accused and subsequently acquitted. Rape and other sexual assaults are crimes where even the accusation carries a certain presumption of guilt - on balance I think I'm just about in favour of anonymity until after a guilty verdict but I can see distinct arguments for both viewpoints, really there is little more than a coin toss in it for me to decide.
 
If it is clear (and in some cases it is) that the woman is out for runing someones life, then the book should be thown at her. I remember a case about a year ago when the guy was aquitted and the woman was found out to be out right lying. (hiding the relationship with the man because she already had a boyfriend). Was she arrested? No, she got away scott free
 
I was just listening to LBC 97.3 and one of these "feminists" came on, I think she did more damage than good to her cause.
 
semi-pro waster said:
This is a rather tricky situation, while there may be some value in encouraging victims to come forward
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You think there is a case for saying we should encourage rape victims to come forward by promising their alleged attacker will be destroyed if the case is proven or not?

If that even a consideration? If so do you not think there is a better way of improving the process?
 
Telescopi said:
You think there is a case for saying we should encourage rape victims to come forward by promising their alleged attacker will be destroyed if the case is proven or not?

If that even a consideration? If so do you not think there is a better way of improving the process?
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I don't believe that's what I've said. We're dealing with a complex emotional issue and it is certainly possible that where a rapist is named that victims would be encouraged to relate assaults on them (I've not got studies to prove it either way although I suspect you could support both sides depending on the questions asked). Or to put it another way, how are people who may think they are alone in being attacked expected to know that their attacker is currently on trial without some formal notice of this point? There is potential for rapists to walk free due to lack of evidence in situations where each instant case is treated separately even if each victim decides to try to press charges - there may be a pattern of behaviour which becomes clearer when looked at as a whole.

No, I don't want to see more malicious allegations and people accused of crimes having their lives destroyed irrespective of their guilt. However it's far from a simple situation often and one where we need to balance the rights of the victim with the accused who may be innocent of the instant crime.
 
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