electrical question again....lol....

If the new harmonised coding system came in before part p and an installation in a house has not been tested untill the homeowner decides to sell, how can anyone prove that any work in the house was not carried out before the part p was implemented?? they cant, so technically any work carried out by the householder as long as it was upto the required standard can be tested and certificated. As long as the house has not previously been certificated to part p standards the householder could carry out work up untill the electrician is required to test and certificate, so if the householder does not inform the electrician of any new work post part p the eltrician is the one who decides if it can be certificated or not.
 
Are you aware of the wording on a BS7671 Electrical Installation Certificate?

The 'short' form when one person is responsible for all aspects of the installation and one person signing it:

I, being the person responsible for the design, construction, inspection and testing of the electrical installation, (as indicated by the signature opposite) particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the design, construction, inspection and testing, hereby certify that the said work for which I have been responsible, is to the best of my knowledge and belief, in accordance with BS 7671-2008, amended to (date ) except for the departures, if any, detailed below:
Details of departures from BS 7671, as amended (Reg. 120.3 and 120.4
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The 'full' form requires three signatories ie. the designer, the installer & the person reponsible for the inspection & testing if they are different but it's pretty much the same declaration.

Nowhere does it allow an installer to sign for work they have only tested and are not responsible for the construction.

As i mentioned earlier, the only thing an electrician can provide for work he's not responsible for is a Period Inspection Report (PIR) which is completely different to an EIC :)
 
supermodder said:
how can anyone prove that any work in the house was not carried out before the part p was implemented??
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Wasn't the sheath colour changed from white to grey, thereby offering a fairly strong indication of work carried out since Part P was implemented?
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
How can he not be altering the circuit, if he has no clue if it is attached to the bloody fusebox? and was plastering and tiling a bare room, surely this is a whole new circuit? and something he does need certification for?
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no, nothing new - just using whats already there and finishing the circuit.

the fusebox is *very* difficult to get at. the front where the fuses are is easy... past that and you have to deal with a fitted kitchen and i think i have to take the cupboard next door apart to undo this one...
 
i have no idea when part p or whatever was implemented. needless to say before it gets used it will be cleared by an electrian to ensure the house insurance isn't invalidated. before i do that though, i just need something to actually certify.....
 
You can go ahead and pay for an electrician to give you a PIR if that puts your mind at rest but that's all you can get and as I've mentioned before you do not legally need any form of certification for the work you've carried out. :)
 
JohnnyG said:
You can go ahead and pay for an electrician to give you a PIR if that puts your mind at rest but that's all you can get and as I've mentioned before you do not legally need any form of certification for the work you've carried out. :)
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got it and mailed ya. :)
 
I'll also provide the evidence to back up the fact that you do not need any certification.
This is from Approved Doucument P (Part P):

b. replacement, repair and maintenance jobs are generally not notifiable, even if carried out in a kitchen or special location or associated with a special installation
m. the fitting and replacement of cookers and electric showers is not notifiable unless a new circuit is needed
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:)
 
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