Ashes to Ashes series 3 starts tonight.

vonhelmet said:
Right then, explain why the Railway Arms is heaven all of a sudden, and it's such a big deal to even walk through the doors, even though they all spent a fair whack of time in there in Life On Mars without anything happening or it being a big deal in the least.
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It was a different Railway Arms, the other one was in Manchester. Nelson relocated cuz the pay was betterer :D :D
 
vonhelmet said:
And they all become ready in the space of a matter of hours? Whatever. Fire up the apologists!
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Because all of them found out they were actually dead and have come to terms?
This includes Alex as she thought she was still alive till this episode.
That was a fairly major point in the story.

Also, it was something being led up to, you could see in the later eps things were changing, they were starting to remember almost.
 
I have been nosing around series 1 and came up with an odd theory that alex actually died as a child in her parents car and her soul was picked up by gene up on the hill. Imagine that one! she never actually grew into a woman for real but was in limbo for so long she completely forgot and thought she was alive, had a kid and became a copper as these were the things she always wanted.
It would explain why she was drawn back to gene's world as she already had a connection there. Maybe its late and im fishing for things that arent there lol.
 
Just been watching some of the series again on the iPlayer, really starting to notice how Shaz gets freaked out by screwdrivers quite a lot, and ray often feels like he's choking. Funny what you see when you know the story. :)
 
Jonny_no2 said:
Just been watching some of the series again on the iPlayer, really starting to notice how Shaz gets freaked out by screwdrivers quite a lot, and ray often feels like he's choking. Funny what you see when you know the story. :)
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You'll only see it in series 3 though, because it's only then that they cobbled together their way out of the whole thing!
 
vonhelmet said:
You'll only see it in series 3 though, because it's only then that they cobbled together their way out of the whole thing!
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Yes, because when early story boarding at the beginning of a 3 series arc they said to themselves "The one thing we *must* allude to in every series between now and the end, is to somehow make Shaz jump at the sight of a screwdriver. This is non-negtotiable, it is absolutely *crucial* to incorporate this into the narrative in series 1, and each subsequent series, at least a couple of times each. Otherwise we'll have some troll who, for whatever reason, will be disatisfied with our chosen ending and will, amongst other things, bring up this screwdriver issue as a means of emphasizing how much he personnaly didn't like the way we chose to end our TV show"
 
Bubo said:
Yes, because when early story boarding at the beginning of a 3 series arc they said to themselves "The one thing we *must* allude to in every series between now and the end, is to somehow make Shaz jump at the sight of a screwdriver. This is non-negtotiable, it is absolutely *crucial* to incorporate this into the narrative in series 1, and each subsequent series, at least a couple of times each. Otherwise we'll have some troll who, for whatever reason, will be disatisfied with our chosen ending and will, amongst other things, bring up this screwdriver issue as a means of emphasizing how much he personnaly didn't like the way we chose to end our TV show"
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BSG managed multiple arcs consistently over 4 series, The Wire did it over 5. I'd have hoped LoM/A2A could have managed the single principle plot premise, but of course that can't be done when you only come up with that explanation in the final series. People bitch and moan about single story threads in Heroes going AWOL, so why should A2A get a free pass on the crux of the story? It was a hurried retcon, not the great plot twist that it's being touted as.
 
vonhelmet said:
BSG managed multiple arcs consistently over 4 series, The Wire did it over 5. I'd have hoped LoM/A2A could have managed the single principle plot premise, but of course that can't be done when you only come up with that explanation in the final series. People bitch and moan about single story threads in Heroes going AWOL, so why should A2A get a free pass on the crux of the story? It was a hurried retcon, not the great plot twist that it's being touted as.
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I'm with this, it was very dissapointing it also in no way resolves what happened to tyler in the first series.
 
atpbx said:
I'm with this, it was very dissapointing it also in no way resolves what happened to tyler in the first series.
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Tyler died after jumping off the building - ending up back in Limbo and forgetting 'now'. After seven years he realised, with Annie, that limbo was not real and went to heaven by going to the Railway arms.

This does not solve the conflict that Alex remembers 'now' and so should not be dead but still in a coma.
 
Just watched it again and near the end where it is just Alex and Gene, you can hear the 'flatline' sound as she realises that she's dead.
 
Bomag said:
Tyler died after jumping off the building - ending up back in Limbo and forgetting 'now'. After seven years he realised, with Annie, that limbo was not real and went to heaven by going to the Railway arms.

This does not solve the conflict that Alex remembers 'now' and so should not be dead but still in a coma.
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It doesnt resolve what happened in life on Mars at all :confused:

He gets out of the Coma, and then for some reason based on what happened in his unconscious life wants to top himself?

The whole premise of life on Mars was whether he was living in a fantasy world of his own creation or if he actually had traveled back in time.
Large pieces of the plot revolved around clues on how to solve the problem of his missing girlfriend and the issues around his dad.
It was nothing to do with his soul being in limbo, and thats the problem.
 
Sam was being egotistical thinking that it was his fantasy, or actually back in time. The end of LOM has a problem in that he was supposed to have a brain tumour but showed no sign of it after he woke up. At the end he realised in the management meeting that limbo was more real than reality (like most management meetings) but instead of having a cup of tea he jumped off the building, killing himself and returning to limbo. Presumably the argument is that he jumped because the removal of the tumour affected his personality and/or senses (which happens in reality) so he did see 'now' as real.

The fact that Sam dous not realise it was limbo was his problem, not an error in the series - it was vital the the audience did not know as the ambiguity was still needed for A2A.

The above does minimise the problem that the last episode of LOM was full of holes, only that the last episode of A2A filled some before adding its own.
 
I am pretty sure they didn't know how the whole thing would end when they did LoM. I haven't watched any A2A since watching the final episode though so will reserve judgement on that. I do get the feeling they only came up with it at the start of series 3, though. This series seemed pretty different to the other two.

I'm not gonna bitch and moan about it though, I thought it was brilliant and a fitting send off to the best British TV series in years!
 
Mad old tory said:
I do get the feeling they only came up with it at the start of series 3, though. This series seemed pretty different to the other two.
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Well, at the time they said they were finishing it after two series. If you watch the final episode of series two it is clear that the ending was altered so that they could tack a third on.
 
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