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Who is this Gideon you speak of?
So Gideon has announced £6.2bn worth of cuts
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problem is Gimpymoo that projects is a few million (at least) over budget, like every other IT project Capita get there grubby hands on.
as for public sector jobs in general all jobs are open to be cut, was in a meeting with our local chief exec and she said they would review jobs every time someone leaves, even though last week in another meeting we got told NO ONE will be taken on for 2 years.
so i guess its not just civil servents who will get pinched but the guys at the bottom who actualy do the hard work.
as for public sector jobs in general all jobs are open to be cut, was in a meeting with our local chief exec and she said they would review jobs every time someone leaves, even though last week in another meeting we got told NO ONE will be taken on for 2 years.
so i guess its not just civil servents who will get pinched but the guys at the bottom who actualy do the hard work.
why fix something thats not broken? are the billions they chucked at this IT system ever going to be recovered? and as its billions we dont have we will be paying interest for years to come...
Would be easier jsut to give everyone their medical records and tell them to store them... create a backup and give it someone incase you are not able to get them yourself...
I bet there is nothing useful in most peoples notes anyway...
that jsut saved how many billion?
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Its horses for courses, we have made 66 people redundant, and had to make savings of £5m.
I work in the waste service, and have shaved around 200k of the costs, but it will have a negative outcome, meaning streets wont be as clean, but the big saving of collecting waste every other week was not picked up which would have saved 350k alone.
Some people couldnt care of the streets or beach are clean, some dont care for toilets some do, and it tends to be the ones who care who vote for Council Members who make the ultimate decision, I put 800k savings up and they only took 200k.
Two weekly collections in my authority could have been very possible, people tend to only put a small amout of waste out anyway, but members would not even consider it.
I work in the waste service, and have shaved around 200k of the costs, but it will have a negative outcome, meaning streets wont be as clean, but the big saving of collecting waste every other week was not picked up which would have saved 350k alone.
Some people couldnt care of the streets or beach are clean, some dont care for toilets some do, and it tends to be the ones who care who vote for Council Members who make the ultimate decision, I put 800k savings up and they only took 200k.
Two weekly collections in my authority could have been very possible, people tend to only put a small amout of waste out anyway, but members would not even consider it.
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there is another recession coming, we borrowed our way out of a recession we got into by borrowing, and we borrowed at a higher rate in such massive amounts to get out of this recession we're in a MASSIVELY worse position right now in terms of lack of money, debt and lack of jobs/tax income than as we moved into the recession a couple years back.
Cutting spending now is paramount, and waiting a year would have just made that next recession tougher, 6billion is very little, this is the short term pre-budget what we can get done cuts, they are incredibly important if minor.
The sooner we can stop wasting money where its not needed the better, infact almost nothing being cut right now has any effect on the ridiculous level of government spending on things to try and "help" the economy, as in, fake jobs we don't need funded by tax income to pretend unemployment isn't as high as it really is.
Gimpypoo, NHS IT system is a disaster, and 95million means nothing, its a several billion pound infrastucture, I'm not sure if they cuts are from there or not.
One of the biggest problems we have with things like IT spending is a firm will quote us X amount and Y time to do the job, but people know its for the government, they are getting paid no matter what, so instead of getting paid X to deliver the finished product by Y, they end up taking twice and long and being twice as much. The later they are the more they get paid, its not in these peoples interest to be on time and on budget, so they never are, but the government, idiots that they are, agree a fixed price and years later decide to keep paying them, same happens in all kinds of area's.
People milk the government for all they are worth because they KNOW they can. Its like when Camden Town went bust, some road repairing crews are independant contractors that the council pay, they just go around streets looking for any minor problem and decide to fix it then bill the council, rather than the coucil prioritising the worst problems and paying for what needs doing, not what some people getting money out of it decide what needs doing.
Can you imagine the military spending of this country if the weapons manufacturers were allowed to choose who we go to war with and when? We'd be in 5 different wars right now and spending billions and billions extra in each one all going into the pocket of the people who decided to go to war.
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It's a theoretical but there's a good chance you'll not be saving any money due to duplication of work, if people can't show up to appointments on time then why should we suspect they'll be able to bring along their medical records as well? What happens if the patient is unconcious and the person bringing them in couldn't find their medical records thereby meaning they are more likely to be treated with drugs they may be allergic to?
Some of the proposed savings seem to me a little dubious in terms of the amount they expect to save and/or there may already be a policy in place which amounts to the same thing. However cuts do need to be made so I hope that these ones are as effective as they are claimed to be.
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This is a good one: Health in Pregnancy Grant £190 for every pregnant person, lady who works with me is loaded, husbands bonus is 20k a year, brought herself a charm braclet for £500 and put the £190 towards it.
791,000 births in 2008 x £190 = £150m crazy money.
I cant understand why they cant means test things, income support, grants, why dont people on full benefits get delivered food insted of being able to spend it on booze and fags and send the kids to school starving.
Bus passes is another one, I have had a few staff turn 60, both got a free bus pass and both own and drive cars, I suggested they could use the bus for work now and we could save some money on the allowances, guess what yu cannot do that.
791,000 births in 2008 x £190 = £150m crazy money.
I cant understand why they cant means test things, income support, grants, why dont people on full benefits get delivered food insted of being able to spend it on booze and fags and send the kids to school starving.
Bus passes is another one, I have had a few staff turn 60, both got a free bus pass and both own and drive cars, I suggested they could use the bus for work now and we could save some money on the allowances, guess what yu cannot do that.
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ROFL
You're saying we're in a worse position coming out of recession than we were before we went in? Surely that much is self evident. So were you advocating an approach that eliminated all government investment and intervention, during the course of the crisis?
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Means testing is ineffectual because people lie about what they earn and it takes too much money to investigate them to find out the truth.
This is especially rife in the 'self-employment' arena.
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I can understand the self employed being an issue, but those of us working in normal jobs who receive a pay slip, seems stright forward to me.
one story that is probably echoed in many areas of local government is that
a relative of mine is a teacher who goes on home visits meeting pregnant teenagers.
quite rightly she needed a laptop.
after 3 months of bureaucracy she received a new laptop at the cost of £1500 to her department and a £300 per year support Fee over 5 years to an out sourced company
the laptop is worth at most £450 + £150 in software
so for the cost of a £600 laptop the department is paying £3000
im not sure what dell would charge to companies for support but I'm pretty damn sure it is less than that.
I agree even though I benefit from it. I recieve a couple of payments, family allowance and something else that in all honesty we don't need or use. We just stick it in a savings scheme for the boy. He will be 1 this week and looking at it the govenment have paid him a grand without the trust fund.
So many people I know don't need or use that family allowance payment. I just plan on saving it all up for when he leaves home or further education if required.
It shouldn't be automatic and only for the lowest earners, although I'm not about to give it back until they come up with a better way of doing it.
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Depends, one way of removing posts is not replacing leavers or people who retire, the risk is as always the posts going are the ones needed and that in turn will put pressure on some work areas to cope, which could lead to stress and then sickness, so its a real hard one.
Yep this should have started well over a year ago (maybe 2 years ago?) and also they didn't save/reduce spending during the good years either which also didn't help.
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Cuts don't go deep enough. I look forward to Round 2 when they really cut back public services to what we actually need, rather than what Labour wanted us to have.