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is a 5830 a good buy now?

hal2009

hal2009

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hi all been after a gfx card for a while now,what with waiting for the fermi release and prices to come down. currently running a radeon hd 3300 on a 22" 1680x1050 screen playing rts c&c, homeworld, supreme commander that sort of thing. what are peoples thought on a 5830? or is it best going for a 5770 or same some more and get a 5850? will the fit in a antec 300 case ok?:)
 
I don't think the 5830 is good value for money even with the reduced prices, it's significantly slower than the 5850 but still manages to use more power. 5770 is the better option imo, cheaper, much lower power consumption and they overclock really well. At your resolution i think the 5770 is the sweet spot.

I would hold out on making any purchase until later next week though, in case ATI adjust their pricing after the GTX465 (and possibly other NV cards) launch at Computex which starts on Tuesday.
 
Yes the 5850 clocks really well too, but the point i was making is that the 5830 uses more power even at stock than the much faster 5850. If you clock a 5830 to match or beat a 5850 you're going to be using a lot more power. If power is of no concern then it doesn't matter, but it is an important factor for some people.

At 1680 res i think the 5770 is by far the better bang for buck.
 
Performance wise 5850 is much better than 5830 no contest...however realistically if you compare the price 5830 (£150-£160) vs 5850 (£240), the price difference is around £80-£90.

Sure a 5830 is slower, consume more power, hotter than 5850, but with a bit of overclock, it should be more than enough to handle almost anything at 1680x1050, except for Crysis.
 
I don't think the 5830 is good value for money even with the reduced prices, it's significantly slower than the 5850 but still manages to use more power. 5770 is the better option imo, cheaper, much lower power consumption and they overclock really well.
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what is the obsession with power... 30w here or theres not going to make much difference to anyone in any tangible sense.

the 5850 is almost like 40-50% more expensive than a 5830 but only 20-30% faster.
 
@ Marine, Yep but you're talking £50-60 more for a 5830 vs 5770, and at 1680 res it's just not worth it imo. That's pretty much the minimum resolution that anyone games with nowadays and a 5770 should hold up fine. The 5830 is faster, but not enough that it would significantly add to the 'future-proof' value, for that you have to look at the 5850 minimum imo.
 
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Nickg said:
what is the obsession with power... 30w here or theres not going to make much difference to anyone in any tangible sense.

the 5850 is almost like 40-50% more expensive than a 5830 but only 20-30% faster.
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The difference between the 5830 and 5770 is ~80w. But like i said already, if power is of no concern then just ignore it, i'm not making a big issue of it, it's just something that might be of interest to the OP.
 
The 5830 could have been an awesome mid-range card. I certainly wouldn't bother with it, it's the runt of the salvaged 58xx litter. Get a 5770 or splurge on the 5850 if you have the readies.
 
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@ Marine, Yep but you're talking £50-60 more for a 5830 vs 5770, and at 1680 res it's just not worth it imo. That's pretty much the minimum resolution that anyone games with nowadays and a 5770 should hold up fine. The 5830 is faster, but not enough that it would significantly add to the 'future-proof' value, for that you have to look at the 5850 minimum imo.
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Err...average 5770 1GB price is around £125 (and better one priced at £135-£140), and a 5830 is at £150-£160, which is just £25-£35 more, not £50-£60 as you said. And neither getting 5770 or 5830 would be 'future proof', but it is about which card alone would provide better frame rate at 1680x1050 and if the price difference is worth it or not.

And as for overlock, I recalled the performance gain is better on a 5830 than a 5770.
 
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Err...average 5770 1GB price is around £125 (and better one priced at £135-£140), and a 5830 is at £150-£160, which is just £25-£35 more, not £50-£60 as you said. And either getting either 5770 or 5830 would be 'future proof', but it is about which card alone would provide better frame rate at 1680x1050 and if the price difference is worth it or not.

Anything thing is on overlock, I recalled the gain is much better on a 5830 than a 5770.
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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-019-C3&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1515

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-238-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1711

And i don't agree with you about the 5770/5830 being future proof at all. If they can both play new games this time next year with decent performance when DX11 is used more widely i would be very surprised. We can already see the effect that Tessellation has on performance in current games.
 
guys people buy the GTX4XX over the HD5XXX despite the power and heat.

also how much are these cards supposed to retail for anyway, as the HD5850 is supposed to be around £200
 
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And i don't agree with you about the 5770/5830 being future proof at all. If they can both play new games this time next year with decent performance when DX11 is used more widely i would be very surprised. We can already see the effect that Tessellation has on performance in current games.
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Sorry it was a typo mistake. I was meant to say neither (not either) are future proof. And stop bloody quoting 512MB 5770 as representation for 5770 price for comparison, as that's silly.
 
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Marine-RX179 said:
Performance wise 5850 is much better than 5830 no contest...however realistically if you compare the price 5830 (£150-£160) vs 5850 (£240), the price difference is around £80-£90.

Sure a 5830 is slower, consume more power, hotter than 5850, but with a bit of overclock, it should be more than enough to handle almost anything at 1680x1050, except for Crysis.
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Mine handles Crysis fine at 1920x1200, all medium settings, no AA and VSYNC on.

Mr Topic Starter, here's the 5830 thread, lots of interesting chat has gone on in there. :P
 
hal2009 said:
hi all been after a gfx card for a while now,what with waiting for the fermi release and prices to come down. currently running a radeon hd 3300 on a 22" 1680x1050 screen playing rts c&c, homeworld, supreme commander that sort of thing. what are peoples thought on a 5830? or is it best going for a 5770 or same some more and get a 5850? will the fit in a antec 300 case ok?:)
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You can pick them up for £150 ish. At that price they are a great buy.
 
hal2009 said:
  • been after a gfx card for a while now
  • running a radeon hd 3300
  • 22" 1680x1050 screen
  • playing rts c&c, homeworld, supreme commander
  • what are peoples thought on a 5830?
  • or is it best going for a 5770
  • or same some more and get a 5850?
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Hello hal2009! :)

I've recently been looking for a new GPU and like you I'm beginning to chomp at the bit! :p . . . as I'm reading through the Radeon 5xxx series reviews I'm getting the distinct impression that the Radeon HD 5850 is *maybe* overpriced for most of us and probably best avoided at it's current selling price! . . . still not sure which of the Evergreen HD 5xxx series offers the best Bang-For-Buck though but it's looking like either the HD 5770 or HD 5830 . . .

I've prepared a set of results for you which were taken from a few months old TechSpot review and I've only included the 1680x1050 to make the comparison easier to digest . . . .

radeonhd5830review1.jpg


So in an effort to make some basic Price-To-Performance analysis between the GPU's I've taken all the gaming tests framerates from each card and done some basic maths . . .

gameaveragezionman2010.jpg


What we are seeing above is that on the average framerate based on the TechSpot review, the Radeon HD 5830 offers approx 17% extra performance over the HD 5770 . . . the Radeon HD 5850 offers approx 40% extra performance over the HD 5770 and 19% extra performance over the HD 5830 . . . these results are only a basic effort on behalf of my fellow forum members to examine one set of "facts" and help us all draw some conclusions! ;)

So using the £129.99 cost of the HD 5770 as a baseline . . . and assuming we lived in an ideal world where the prices scaled up exactly according to the performance % it offered then this is what we would see! :cool:

gameaveragezionmanprice.jpg

"Is the Radeon HD 5850 overpriced?"
 
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although the above 'bang for buck' comparison is useful for looking at value for money it has always been the case that the higher end cards cost proportionally more for those extra fps....
 
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