Foxconn - Eye opener

We need to exploit them as much as possible, keep their power down / keep them dependant to the west, once they start getting agro we can put them in their place... but that was the plan I feel and its not working, when they try to attack us, just nuke em..

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Kidding a little bit, but seriously as said before they have to go through radical changes like we have done in the past, and it still isn't that great in this country, at least we don't get kids burning their fingers off trying to get some copper to sell... screwed up world, got to deal with it :)
 
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Westyfield2 said:
Apple is meant to be 'different' and nicer.


That and the fact that their products aren't exactly cheap!
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The benefits of good marketing.
They are as bad as every other big name, mainstream company out there. It's a business and they are just in it to make profits.
Shiny white products, yes. Shiny clean souls, no.
 
The same thing happens all over Asia.
People out here expect to work ALLOT hard and longer than were used to.
The non technical people I know in Korea who do manual or service type jobs all work in excess of 70 hours a week and get 3 days off a month.
Veitnam was the same and so was mainland China.
People bemaon the level of salary that these people get but its all relative.
It makes more sense to look at how many hours it costs to buy an item than the actuall cost.
If you can buy a DVD on an hours wage is it a good wage or a bad wage?
If you spend half your take home pay on your rent is that good or bad?
The numbers are what confusses the issue.
 
Like House says - wages are all relative.
I've just come back from Egypt and a Luxor Egyptian can pay the rent & provide for his family on £1 a day - £2 a day and they live like millionaires (nearly).
Compare that to this country and how much we need to keep a roof over our families head and food in their belly's.
 
AcidHell2 said:
So unbelievably short sighted.

And if these factories weren't there. Paying a darn good wage.
What do you think these people would be doing? do you think there rights would suddenly increase? do you think they would suddenly be better of?

Before you get decent working conditions you have to have a strong economy. Working conditions are improved slowly over decades. It is the only way it can be done.
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I'm pretty sure they can be paid a fair bit more then they are right now, without completely destroying the economy. You can justify it all you want, but in the end, greed will always at the centre of it.
 
First few paragraphs were dull an uninteresting did not grab my attention or make me want to read the rest of the article.
 
One of the comments from Chief2 pretty much sums up my thoughts:
I read the comments before reading the story. From most comments, I expected tales of atrocious conditions. After reading the translated piece, I got the impression of an amateurishly-written story that is almost devoid of any details, and what little it does tell just frankly sounds much less insidious than I was expecting. They go to work, they don't seem to be crazy about their jobs, and they get paid a moderate income commensurate with the region's standard of living. Just because they can't afford an iPad doesn't mean they are downtrodden. Guess what, I can't afford a BMW either, I don't see me and my peers becoming the subjects of an investigative story into our oppressive working conditions.

What really shocks me is that so many commenters seem to think this story reveals appalling treatment of workers. I'm simply not seeing it. Still, if that's the way you feel, and if engadget has the same beef, stop posting complaints about the high price of a $300 Netbook. Any reasonably informed person in the Western world knows that Chinese workers get paid a pittance compared to Western standards, but if you decry it as a moral wrong while you buy the latest phone/camera/GPS/PC/whatever, then you are astoundingly hypocritical. Let's decorate our cubicles with handcarved ivory then cry over the shrinking elephant population. You can't have it both ways.
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titaniumx3 said:
I'm pretty sure they can be paid a fair bit more then they are right now, without completely destroying the economy. You can justify it all you want, but in the end, greed will always at the centre of it.
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What happens when the average wage goes up? The cost of living does too. It's all relative. These people could be toiling on a farm doing back breaking work instead
 
titaniumx3 said:
I'm pretty sure they can be paid a fair bit more then they are right now, without completely destroying the economy. You can justify it all you want, but in the end, greed will always at the centre of it.
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And you get the situation which has already happened in places. You have a shortage of police, teachers, hospital staff as the factory pay more.
It is just the way things are. As their economy improves and it has to improve a lot before it meets western countries per head, work conditions should improve. you can't improve them over night, where does that extra money come from? We can afford it as we make far more money per head.
 
i agree with AH, i'm not going to worry about how what i buy is produced, there are factories in every continent of the world where similar working conditions are in place. You build a strong economy by breaking the back of a proportion of your workforce.

Just look at our own country during the industrial revolution some 80-120 years ago, the poor working in factories with little sunlight, no air conditioning, 12 hour days, 6 days a week using contraptions that could prove deadly with one careless thought.

if they weren't working in that factory earning a good wage they'd be doing back breaking labour on a farm earning barely enough to survive.
 
I dont really see they problem.

I worked night shift at a Factory and i hated it, And the Machines didnt stop for me either. They just keep on churning out what ever it is that they are making while you assemble it all night long.

Although i was paid higher then those Chinese workers, My guess is that i had to pay more for food, rent and everything else then they do.
 
Pretty much is, that is tiny compared to us, they simply can not afford good working conditions. I don't see how people do not get this.

Good working conditions are really expensive.
 
I bet you can find videos of that for any country.
But it does come down to workers rights, the more rights you have. The more chance you'll complain and stop the abuse.
Rights costs a lot of money, it is something that comes gradually as a country gets richer. It can not be implamented over night.
I'm not saying it's good, it's just the way it is.
 
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