Better to have new tyres at the front or at the back?

sigma said:
They hardly equate to being the "average" car though, which is what the majority of posters were referring to.
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It's logical though, six and three quarter litres of pig iron is going to weigh somewhat more than an alloy straight six :p
 
DRZ said:
What you appear to be missing is that you are posting in a MOTORS forum. On average (there is that word again!), people here are more likely to have driven RWD cars on a regular basis than your man in the street. What does this mean to this debate? Well, you have people like Fox who currently has in his household THREE front-engine, rwd cars. Wicksta, who has posted his list of cars, NathanE etc etc and myself (I have owned both front and mid-engined RWD cars).

In just these four example owners, all have shown that, in their considerable combined wealth of experience, the driven wheels exhibit significantly higher wear rates than the wheels which are not driven. In each of our experiences, this difference in wear rate is a ratio of approximately 2:1 (2 sets of rear tyres to one set of fronts).

Unfortunately, your experience (and I don't know in what capacity you speak) has either been limited to the point where you have extrapolated incorrectly based on a very small data set or you simply do not have the experience you claim to have.

Most people in this thread are assuming the latter of those two possibilities and quite frankly, I am one of them.
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But we're not talking about "average" cars though, we are specifically talking about Bentley and Crewe built Rolls Royce motor cars that I deal with solely in my line of work. Cars that I'm doubtful that many people here have had the chance to sit in, let alone inspect and measure tyre wear.

Fox has called me on my knowledge of "my brand" time and time again, and quite frankly I'm sick of it. It isn't even obviously clear that Fox knows one end of a spanner from the other, but yet he is still quite happy to tell me about the cars that I work on day in, day out, and then has the cheek to go down the "Well, working in the trade doesn't make you an expert" route when I try and tell him otherwise. No, I'm not an expert and nor do I claim to be one, but I'm willing to bet I know a damn sight more about these cars than he does, especially considering that this is the same person who called a Phaeton something along the lines of "An oversized minicab/Big Passat", but thinks that a Flying Spur is a completely different animal. Cos it's a Bentley, yo :rolleyes:.

I'm not denying that your rear tyres wear quicker than the fronts, nor am I denying that Fox's, NathanE's, Wicksta's or even my rear tyres will wear quicker than the front, but with all respect none of us own or operate a 2600KG chauffeur driven Saloon car with a "Pig Iron" 6.75L Twin Turbocharged V8 engine bearing down of the front wheels than is going to do the majority of it's miles pottering around Central London. From what I've found (and probably what the company has found - Can't see any other legitimate reason for asking us to fit all new tyres to the front?) the fronts on average tend to wear quicker than the rears. Any Bentley/Rolls Royce mechanics/owners/drivers are free to disagree with me, armchair used car "experts" aren't :).
 
Joshy said:
But we're not talking about "average" cars though, we are specifically talking about Bentley and Crewe built Rolls Royce motor cars that I deal with solely in my line of work. Cars that I'm doubtful that many people here have had the chance to sit in, let alone inspect and measure tyre wear.
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May I direct you to read the OP? Where did he specify he had a Bentley or a Rolls Royce?

There is only one person in this thread giving incorrect advice based on a marque that has nothing at all to do with the thread - that person is you.
 
DRZ said:
May I direct you to read the OP? Where did he specify he had a Bentley or a Rolls Royce?
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Where did I specify that I was referring to the OP in any of my posts? I mentioned my Company's Policy, Fox called me on it.

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There is only one person in this thread giving incorrect advice based on a marque that has nothing at all to do with the thread - that person is you.
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Were exactly did I say "Fit them to the front"? I haven't given any advice in this thread whatsoever, I've spent all of it defending my personal findings. Stop putting words in my mouth.
 
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Joshy said:
Where did I specify that I was referring to the OP in any of my posts? I mentioned my Company's Policy, Fox called me on it.



Were exactly did I say "Fit them to the front"? I haven't given any advice in this thread whatsoever, I've spent all of it defending my personal findings. Stop putting words in my mouth.
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You came into a thread where some one was asking for advice and made a post in that context - you didn't frame it as an aside or an anecdote or anything.

In the interests of the thread (which given that its purpose has been served, it doesn't really matter anyway), I''ll just back out here I think. I can't see any merit in this discussion anyway...
 
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mjt said:
The average wear on Bentleys and RRs, not on average cars ;)


and FWIW..

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You've got it ;).

Anyway... Argh! That's video! Seriously, I hate it - Is it not blatantly obvious that her driving style changes MASSIVELY when she has the new tyres on the Front? Yank the wheel around like that in the wet and bad things will happen, regardless of where the new tyres are! :D
 
OMG at Joshy! What a LOL.

Please explain how my rears at to be replaced at 25k and my fronts at 37k miles given that all I do is drive on the motorway and my car is RWD.

K, THX, Bye
 
Joshy said:
Fox has called me on my knowledge of "my brand" time and time again, and quite frankly I'm sick of it.
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If you stop posting either questionable or just plain wrong things, there will be no need to 'call you up' on your knowledge. You do it on numerous occasions.

but yet he is still quite happy to tell me about the cars that I work on day in, day out
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You are not a tyre fitter, though - you simply inspect tyres as part of a service and comment on them. You've no idea when the tyre was changed - you could see a car with bald fronts and nice rears but because the rears were changed a month before, for example.

It wasn't just me who pulled you up, numerous people were utterly baffled at your idea that tyre wear is independant of driven wheels. It's very dependent on driven wheels, more so as power increases.

this is the same person who called a Phaeton something along the lines of "An oversized minicab/Big Passat", but thinks that a Flying Spur is a completely different animal. Cos it's a Bentley, yo .
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My Pheaton opinion was far more detailed than that and all comments made were completely explained at the time. Either go back and read them (Though my Pheaton experience and subsequent mini review were long before you registered on these forums so this may not be possible) or stop implying things that are not true.

The Passat comparison was about sense of occasion and other intangiable things not technical ability or technical makeup.
 
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Out of interest, would it then be better to have new Tyres on the front of a FWD?

Or is it always the back.

edit: Never mind, the video answered my question.
 
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in a previous post i said its eaiser to control under-steer then over-steer. meaning its better to have the gripiest tyres on the back, trust me its easier to control under-steer then the other!!!
 
It's better to replace all 4, not only is it safer but it stops people on internet forums laughing at you for making the wrong choice.

Oh wait, they'll laugh at you for wasting money - damn. Can't win :(
 
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