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EdGey said:
Ok, so what is the theory behind this?

Viewing a football game and going to see some sights does not change who you are.

They will still be scum when they return.
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No, the proven theory is showing them a better life will inspire them to change their ways.

Funny enough, this inspires them more then going back to prison for the 9th time for yet another 3 month stretch.

It's about breaking the cycle of crime and showing them a better way. The fact it's also cheaper is an added bonus.

Remember for these lads we have tried and tried and tried stick. So, try carrot.
 
Its not a proven theory... showing them a better life 9/10 will make then feel more bitter and envious as most of them won't be able to attain that "better" life. Probably leading to more crime and violence as they will hate those better off even more.
 
britboy4321 said:
There are many cases where it has worked. Sent a yob who never had a chance on a 3 week safari, and when he gets back he's been inspired and next thing he's working hard to achieve what he now knows is possible to achieve.
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Safari boy, aka Mark Hook was indeed inspired britboy and that inspiration was to stick two fingers up at the taxpayer and commit more crime, namely handling stolen goods, burglary, robbery, theft, threatening behaviour and possession of offensive weapon.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/safari-boy-jailed-for-nine-months-1450685.html

Below is a link where his mate safari boy 2 was inspired by his free trip and went on to commit more crime.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_19990613/ai_n14488474/
 
I still disagree. Why should they receive a free, and very expensive holiday for doing nothing other than dragging the society down their whole lives.

Where is my holiday?
 
JBuk said:
I wonder what % of these kids go on to re-offend
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Quite a high percentage. Most of them aren't interested in putting in a month of 30-40 hour weeks working to afford to buy a TV when they can break into someones house and nick one in half an house (as an example).

You will always get a few that have been brought up in the life and never known anything different for who a trip like this can work, but they will always be a low percentage - unfortunatly they tend to hold up these individuals and claim "it works!" and ignore all the ones that it didn't work for.
 
Maybe the answer is, after 8 terms in jail, to actually lock them up properly rather than just for 3 months. I fail to see why tax payers money should be spent sending criminals on trips of their lifetime in the off chance it might inspire them to give it up and get a job, while the victims of their crimes gets little to no support.

What about the countless hard-working decent families who work hard to give their kids the very best they can while struggling to make ends meat. It's absolutely disgusting to be honest. They chose the life of crime, it's not like a disease or something, they should pay for it, not us. They say crime doesn't pay, but it clearly does and it's pathetic and embarrassing.
 
It costs the uk £37,500 per year to keep each and every prisoner.

That's not including court costs, legal defense, or anything else.


I think £10,000 to potentially stop them being in and out of prison for the remaining 55 years of their lives is kind of a no-brainer.

Although I can understand people saying 'Where's my holiday' they are not looking at the bigger picture. I hate this American phrase, but seriously, do the math.
 
dbmzk1 said:
Maybe the answer is, after 8 terms in jail, to actually lock them up properly rather than just for 3 months. I fail to see why tax payers money should be spent sending criminals on trips of their lifetime in the off chance it might inspire them to give it up and get a job, while the victims of their crimes gets little to no support.

What about the countless hard-working decent families who work hard to give their kids the very best they can while struggling to make ends meat. It's absolutely disgusting to be honest. They chose the life of crime, it's not like a disease or something, they should pay for it, not us. They say crime doesn't pay, but it clearly does and it's pathetic and embarrassing.
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Er, when they spend years in prison (which clearly doesn't work as they've been in 13 times before) who do you think is paying for it to the tune of £37,500 per year? The tooth fairy?

Why should we try the same thing time and time and time again when it's blisteringly obvious to everyone it's not working at all, and it costs the taxpayer hundreds of thousands? What have you got against the honest, hard working taxpayer? :)
 
Locking them up doesn't really help either - it just removes the problem from law abiding people... the problem is they do 3 months inside for a crime and then are released... straight back into the environment from which they came...
 
britboy4321 said:
It costs the uk £37,500 per year to keep each and every prisoner.

That's not including court costs, legal defense, or anything else.


I think £10,000 to potentially stop them being in and out of prison for the remaining 55 years of their lives is kind of a no-brainer.

Although I can understand people saying 'Where's my holiday' they are not looking at the bigger picture. I hate this American phrase, but seriously, do the math.
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if this only costs £10k, i'll eat my hat
 
dbmzk1 said:
Maybe the answer is, after 8 terms in jail, to actually lock them up properly rather than just for 3 months. I fail to see why tax payers money should be spent sending criminals on trips of their lifetime in the off chance it might inspire them to give it up and get a job, while the victims of their crimes gets little to no support.

What about the countless hard-working decent families who work hard to give their kids the very best they can while struggling to make ends meat. It's absolutely disgusting to be honest. They chose the life of crime, it's not like a disease or something, they should pay for it, not us. They say crime doesn't pay, but it clearly does and it's pathetic and embarrassing.
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You go on about tax payer’s money, have you any idea how much it cost per year to keep a person in prison? £10K is a drop in the ocean compared to a life time cost in prison.
 
britboy4321 said:
It costs the uk £37,500 per year to keep each and every prisoner.

That's not including court costs, legal defense, or anything else.


I think £10,000 to potentially stop them being in and out of prison for the remaining 55 years of their lives is kind of a no-brainer.

Although I can understand people saying 'Where's my holiday' they are not looking at the bigger picture. I hate this American phrase, but seriously, do the math.
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britboy4321 said:
Er, when they spend years in prison (which clearly doesn't work as they've been in 13 times before) who do you think is paying for it to the tune of £37,500 per year? The tooth fairy?

Why should we try the same thing time and time and time again when it's blisteringly obvious to everyone it's not working at all, and it costs the taxpayer hundreds of thousands? What have you got against the honest, hard working taxpayer? :)
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It's not really about the money, but the principle. I'd rather spend £37,500 a year for the next 55 years keeping them behind bars where they can't re-offend, than waste even a single penny giving them the holiday of a lifetime that most every day people can only dream of.

If it worked in the vast majority of cases then fine, but it doesn't actually work at all.
 
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