BT Capped us

They seem to be , and am i right in saying they have unlimited download ? like proper unlimited, no catches like BT the Fully star out swearing please. !

Sky's HD is amazing ! :P
 
Rroff said:
It is quite easy to use 100gig these days completely legally doing nothing out of the ordinary.
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No way! Not for the average user.

You have to go be using torrents and rapidshare a heck of a lot to use that much.

Afraid I'm with the ISP on this one. You want to use that much bandwidth, you better pay for it.
 
lowrider007 said:
Are you serious, posts like this really annoy me, I go over BT's cap of a 100gb all the time and I hardly ever download anything illegal bar the odd TV serial, most of my usage is taken up with iPlayer and 4OD, they are my only TV, I do not use a conventional television any-more, a 1 hour (non HD) television programme on iPlayer for example is around 600/700mb, x 10 that 6/7gb already with just ten programmes and I watch a lot more than just ten programmes a month and that's not even including the HD content.
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Then you're trying live in a way which current gen internet infrastructure in the UK can't support*.

iPlayer is not designed to replace a conventional TV, but to complement it. They market it as a way to watch shows you might have missed - not to switch your viewing to it completely.

*if everyone did it.
 
Hold on if you want to start ranting and raving about each others comments take it to another thread !

And FoxEye's comment, if u live in a place where you cant get a signal/or a half decent one how can you expect someone not to use iplayer or any of the on-line services provided by TV company's etc.
 
YoungOzzy said:
And FoxEye's comment, if u live in a place where you cant get a signal/or a half decent one how can you expect someone not to use iplayer or any of the on-line services provided by TV company's etc.
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You're very welcome to use it, you're just dumb if you expect your ISP to allow you to use it so much you cost them more than you're paying them each month.
 
Um, how many people aren't covered by *any* of the following:

freeview (digital terrestrial)
sky (freesat / freesate from sky)
cable TV
 
FoxEye said:
Then you're trying live in a way which current gen internet infrastructure in the UK can't support*.

iPlayer is not designed to replace a conventional TV, but to complement it. They market it as a way to watch shows you might have missed - not to switch your viewing to it completely.

*if everyone did it.
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Yes I understand this but I do work from 5pm to midnight/1am so I don't have much of a choice really as I miss all the good programming, and not only that it's inevitable that in the future more and more TV services are going to move on-line, IPTV/On Demand TV box's etc, even newer fancy TV's have these types of services built in now.

Anyway if I lived in an area where I could have a better service than BT then I probably wouldn't be moaning but as it is they are about the best I'm going to get living down here, I honestly dream of the day I can get fibre or cable Broadband, I've even considered moving up country for it.
 
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Dazza_Random said:
Seriously why do BT have such a SMALL cap for their "top" package when other ISP dont cap as harsh - BE/02??
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Because be* built an infrastructure from scratch specifically for IP traffic to serve only the exchanges where they could make a profit, BT have to serve every exchange and have a multi service network which much treat voice as priority.

It's a very different economic proposition. Even then with the investment and capacity enhancements they're having to make I don't know if they're making any money from the business currently. They also don't (to my knowledge) actually own their network rather lease it fully supported from Alcatel-lucent which is short term cost saving sure but it's also not on the assets list as a result...
 
Peering still costs even BE a bomb... tho they are in a better position to weather it than say BT who are also having to keep their shareholders happy, etc.

While its ridiculous IIRC (have to double check the figures) 100gig actually costs BT (the ISP side) £~57 :( so they aren't actually making money on people using that much... the whole thing is incredibly stupid in this day and age...
 
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Rroff said:
Peering still costs even BE a bomb... tho they are in a better position to weather it than say BT who are also having to keep their shareholders happy, etc.

While its ridiculous IIRC (have to double check the figures) 100gig actually costs BT (the ISP side) £~57 :( so they aren't actually making money on people using that much... the whole thing is incredibly stupid in this day and age...
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Umm, peering doesn't cost them much at all, a quick look in the member DB suggests they have 4x 10GigE which costs them exactly the same as ours do - £5500 a month.

I suspect you mean transit, and I expect that's rough in line with ours to at somewhere between 90 and 150p per mbit resilient commit. It's very difficult to calculate what the cost per gigabyte is as that isn't what's billed the real term costs vary with time of day etc.
 
OP in your position you're best off switching to Virgin's 50 meg package if you can get it. It's about the same price as BT's option 3 and I'm getting 50 megs speed 24/7 and munch through plenty more bandwidth than you do with no issues or complaints.

If you can't get cable, as above Sky's Max package is LLU and therefore fully under Sky's control (no BT to mess with). Be is also decent. You can probably (very rough guess) get around 10 to 12 megs if you're getting ~6 megs now on ipstream.
 
bigredshark said:
Umm, peering doesn't cost them much at all, a quick look in the member DB suggests they have 4x 10GigE which costs them exactly the same as ours do - £5500 a month.

I suspect you mean transit, and I expect that's rough in line with ours to at somewhere between 90 and 150p per mbit resilient commit. It's very difficult to calculate what the cost per gigabyte is as that isn't what's billed the real term costs vary with time of day etc.
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I was parcelling transit/connections into the same term.
 
Well it appears our family have gone over the 80GB "cap" again this month. Last month I can believe as I reinstalled my PC and downloaded a load of stream games etc, this month as far as I know we have all been using the internet as normal, nothing heavy... That does lead me to wonder if their usage tally is actually correct, like a lot of others. :confused:

Think i'm going to have to check myself now for the next month and see if anything tallies.

Also is the "limit" a rolling limit (i.e. 30 days usage) or is it an actual monthly limit (May the 1st to the 31st)?. Either way it won't really affect us even if we do get limited, we rarely seem to be able to stream iPlayer during the evening anyway which indicates out bandwith is rather tiny at those times. :p
 
Their useage tracking is deff. whack... I have used over 90gig this month (according to router stats) and not had an 80gig warning - but used slightly under 60gig last month before I got the 80gig warning. This is combined up and down usage.
 
YoungOzzy said:
Removed. Admission to piracy.

Im not complaining but my mum pays for it, but i hate us getting bills for going over our limit, 2 months ago £171.11 bill, that has been sorted now with us only paying 1/4 of it ;)

I have no job so have to get movies and albums so way :L and maybe the odd Operating systems ;) But who's say everyone else don't do it !

And our option ? We are on BT's highest with vision,phone and BB, even the Vision wont want to work now, with the ***** speeds.
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Well considering you are probably violating the AUP you would have agreed to when signing up for the service think yourself lucky you have a connection at all :p

I always laugh when people moan to hell about download limits, going over them, being capped 'omg it's so unfair my ISP does this'.

Yet those same people are perfectly fine, and almost see it as their right, to ignore the AUP (acceptable use policy).

Not saying do/don't do it, just when the ISP does something about it don't start whining :)

In summary, man up, either stop, download less or pay for a service that meets your needs.
 
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Thats all fine and good... but have to actually tried to work out the BT AUP?

Up until a few months ago it didn't even list any exact useage limits at all... and I can't see any mention of them now looking again... infact the useage allowance link in my BT control panel goes to:

http://www.productsandservices.bt.c...?topicId=25746&s_cid=con_FURL_broadband/usage which doesn't seem to list any exact useage limits on the unlimited product...
 
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