Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

Spawn said:
They arent very 'special forces' are they if they cant defend themselves lol.

Tbh the Israeli's deserve everything they get after doing what they did...they had no right to board that ship and if they wanted to they should have asked permission or done it in a more non confrontational way....international waters means they have absolutely FA jurisdiction to do what they did...all imo that is.
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I'm not sure what your point is, you think the Israelis should have used more violence ?

As for rights to board, my understanding of maritime law is that they do have a right to board. It also seems to me that the protesters were seeking or at least expecting confrontation, otherwise they wouldn't be there in the first place.

Just making the voyage, and getting themselves boarded would have made the point about the Israelis not allowing the aid in, attacking the soldiers as soon as their feet touched the deck was a needless escalation. The Israelis mistake was allowing themselves to be provoked. I wonder if non-lethal crowd control could have got the job done.
 
Stolly said:
Just making the voyage, and getting themselves boarded would have made the point about the Israelis not allowing the aid in, attacking the soldiers as soon as their feet touched the deck was a needless escalation. The Israelis mistake was allowing themselves to be provoked. I wonder if non-lethal crowd control could have got the job done.
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I agree, both sides are to blame. However, at the same time it happens to be Israel, who are sneaky ****ers anyway.

I can't say I like them much regardless of who's to blame. Scum.
 
Stolly said:
I'm not sure what your point is, you think the Israelis should have used more violence?.
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Not saying that at all...what im saying is the way they approached the ship via a helicopter ie special forces rappelling down isnt going to sit very well with anyone and obviously they felt threatened so proceeded to give the israeli's what for.

No sympathy at all for the Israeli's and if this makes other countries sit up and take action against them then good....its about time someone put Israel in its place....for far too long they have got away with all sorts then pleading that they werent at fault.
 
Ok this i believe is the piece of maritime law that would have been applicable.

Article 110. Right of visit 1. Except where acts of interference derive from powers conferred by treaty, a warship which encounters on the high seas a foreign ship, other than a ship entitled to complete immunity in accordance with articles 95 and 96, is not justified in boarding it unless there is reasonable ground for suspecting that:
(a) the ship is engaged in piracy;
(b) the ship is engaged in the slave trade;
(c) the ship is engaged in unauthorized broadcasting and the flag
State of the warship has jurisdiction under article 109;
(d ) the ship is without nationality; or
(e) though flying a foreign flag or refusing to show its flag, the ship is, in reality, of the same nationality as the warship.
2. In the cases provided for in paragraph 1, the warship may proceed to verify the ship's right to fly its flag. To this end, it may send a boat under the command of an officer to the suspected ship. If suspicion remains after the documents have been checked, it may proceed to a further examination on board the ship, which must be carried out with all possible consideration.
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So probably the Israelis would not have been justified in boarding, under this law.


I say "would" because the Israelis were not signatories, so probably don't see themselves bound by it. Which is convenient. So legally, they were not acting illegally, or legally. If such a thing is possible.
 
Spawn said:
They arent very 'special forces' are they if they cant defend themselves lol.

Tbh the Israeli's deserve everything they get after doing what they did...they had no right to board that ship and if they wanted to they should have asked permission or done it in a more non confrontational way....international waters means they have absolutely FA jurisdiction to do what they did...all imo that is.
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Right.... You need to go look at laws, and look at what Israel has signed. The fact they're in international waters means they can'd do whatever the F they want, pretty much.


On a more serious note, Israel are saying they were attacked first - which seems accurate from the helicam.
 
Spawn said:
Not saying that at all...what im saying is the way they approached the ship via a helicopter ie special forces rappelling down isnt going to sit very well with anyone and obviously they felt threatened so proceeded to give the israeli's what for.

No sympathy at all for the Israeli's and if this makes other countries sit up and take action against them then good....its about time someone put Israel in its place....for far too long they have got away with all sorts then pleading that they werent at fault.
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I frankly cannot see what their method of coming aboard has to do with this.

They had petrol bombs and a stun grenade thrown at them. This isn't because they came aboard via fast rope rather than small boat and grappling ropes, its just because they came aboard and the people on board had clearly prepared for such an incident. Peaceful protest this was not.
 
crisbduck said:
Doesn't seem very nice, I'm guessing both sides are to blame though
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Yes, tend to agree.
That said, they Israeli's only current defence seems to be 'We have the ight to defend our country', coupled with 'We have suffered very many rocket attacks'. Rather like the Japanese executing Americans for the sever nuking they have been suffering......

Nothing will be done, nothing will change, politicans will grumble and talk about being apauled, and then sit back and do nothing. Nothing on either side, and then continue to supply arms to both through front and back doors.

Frankly, nobody on the world stage really cares as long as it doesn't kick off properly.
 
meghatronic said:
Right.... You need to go look at laws, and look at what Israel has signed. The fact they're in international waters means they can'd do whatever the F they want, pretty much.


On a more serious note, Israel are saying they were attacked first - which seems accurate from the helicam.
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This in itself is quite amusing.
They fire rockets at the helicopters? Not that I've seen.

So a guy breaks down your door, and enters your house, you attack him, the cam shows you attacking him. So it's your fault, and you started it.

Its bloody schoolyard rubbish, as ever, the he said she said gubbins of world politics. Would be funny if people didn't lose their lives over it.

My previous post stands, on the world stage, no one really cares, they'll get on with killing and butchering one another for many decades yet, and it'll become worse, not better, and nothing will change unless it properly kicks off.
 
Spawn said:
Not saying that at all...what im saying is the way they approached the ship via a helicopter ie special forces rappelling down isnt going to sit very well with anyone and obviously they felt threatened so proceeded to give the israeli's what for.

No sympathy at all for the Israeli's and if this makes other countries sit up and take action against them then good....its about time someone put Israel in its place....for far too long they have got away with all sorts then pleading that they werent at fault.
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Regardless how they got on to the boat do you honestly think it would have made a difference if they used a hot air balloon or the pirate approach of climbing on board with ropes and ladders. I mean if I'm honest helicopter I think was the most sensible way.
 
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