This is the difference between Israel and Turkey... Israel absolutely would use nuclear weapons if push came to shove, whereas Turkey aren't quite so ready, it would be much more last ditch - and not many countries are going to get too pushy with Israel after they've just flattened another country with nukes really...
Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
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This is the difference between Israel and Turkey... Israel absolutely would use nuclear weapons if push came to shove, whereas Turkey aren't quite so ready, it would be much more last ditch - and not many countries are going to get too pushy with Israel after they've just flattened another country with nukes really...
"Allocated to" probably means they are in American hands, not Turkish. I wouldn't be surprised if they are all aboard a C5 heading west as soon as the first shot is fired.
Which is all tough guy talk anyway. Turkey isn't going to war over the Palestinians, you can count on it.
if "push comes to shove" basically means Israel is severely losing against an invasion force then yes they'd use them.
That's why they have them.
That's why everyone has them.
If Israel were willing to use them willy nilly they would have in the 6 day war.
they're American nukes iric so no America would not give them the codes.
They are there to nuke the invading communist forces during the cold war.
Basically America gave nukes to a lot of Europe to insure it would have a beach head and a strike force on hand to hit the soviets.
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I wonder if the BBC will run this clip on tonight's news, adds a lot of context to what happened.
They are stopping pirates take over their boat? From what I've read, they have no jurisdiction. The clip shows nothing about guns being used by the people on the boat.
I see it as a police officer illegally forcing his way into your home, getting hit a few times and then the officer shooting you dead. Fault lies almost entirely with one party. The idea that the people on the boat were readying themselves for a fight because they have metal objects and chairs is laughable.
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The people on the boat were entirely stupid for doing that, not saying they deserved to die but they can't act surprised at the consequences when you start swarming armed soldiers who are only doing their job.
They would have been ordered onto the boat by the military, most likely by people who weren't even there, as with most military operations.
If they had just not been idiots and stood still, it would have been resolved anyway no doubt.
They would have been ordered onto the boat by the military, most likely by people who weren't even there, as with most military operations.
If they had just not been idiots and stood still, it would have been resolved anyway no doubt.
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Its clear to see the soldiers were lynched by a frenzied mob on a ship preparing to run a blockade. Its plain as day, the legal technicality are meaningless in light of the evidence shown in that clip. Its laughable to claim other wise, IDF was only defending itself from a lynch mob.
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Still i understand what your saying but I really think that calling them pirates when they prewarmed them what they might do is as you say laughable. It wasnt like they didnt know who they were or what they planned to do once on board. I mean thats what pirates are basically people that fly under no flag and dont have rules. Which wasnt the case they made it clear who they were and why they were there.
Of course in these waters rules are all over the place. But the point im making is there is a clear different between them and pirates.
And looking at the videos already in this post I cant say that the crew acted in the best way they could have....REALLY no they didnt . Not to say both didnt but Im still waiting on the videos to show the Israeli's acting the same way. I'm happy to be wrong I really am, just with everything that has been shown so far im shocked that something bigger didnt happen.
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No it bloody doesn't.
The term "pirates" has a specific meaning, and this doesn't fall into it. I understand that the common definition is that they'd need to be a private vessel acting for themselves, not on the behalf of a sovereign government.
As for the second part, if the officer was acting as a private individual you may have a point. If he was acting under what he believed to be lawful orders then you may not.
Also these "metal objects" which you vaguely refer to are more specifically knives. Caught on video, stabbing a man from behind who was no threat to the attacker. Innocent peace activist this man was not.
Holy crap thats pretty damming. Its amazing that more didn't die.
Agreed. Because someone like a police officer forces their way into your house, that gives you the right to beat them?
lol
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Blooming heck. Thats an interesting video. Well, I don't know what to think. A little from column A and a little from column B. It was always going to happen mind you.
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Agreed normally the bbc can be very one sided but this time it seems they are reporting what ever is available so fair play to them really. Its a shame some of the guest's they had on earlier couldnt back up any of their facts but meh thats a different story.
Soldiers attacked the ship, people on the ship defended themselves. Good on them.
Israel being a bully boy (again) and being stood up to for once. About time too - although no doubt the Israeli media will come out and call the protesters "Anti-Semites" for their actions. Typical of the Israeli's really - such a self important bunch that they have to invent a phrase (anti-semite) to describe when people don't like them, where as the rest of us just say "they don't like us".
Israel being a bully boy (again) and being stood up to for once. About time too - although no doubt the Israeli media will come out and call the protesters "Anti-Semites" for their actions. Typical of the Israeli's really - such a self important bunch that they have to invent a phrase (anti-semite) to describe when people don't like them, where as the rest of us just say "they don't like us".
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I was going to comment earlier, but my post would have been that I couldn't comment because there isn't enough information. TBH, I think it's certainly not clear cut to whether the IDF needed to use deadly force or not. The footage that is being shown seems to help justify their actions, but without knowing the whole story, it's hard to judge.
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I have little trust for the BBC at times, but that clip is rather damning.
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Agreed I have said this already a few times. But I would like to see more from both sides. Just seems with what has currently been shown I cant blame the Israeli's for what they did.