Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

king-core said:
Just got home before from a big mass protest in manchester city centre with a group of 800 people. Broke down the front doors of BBC Studio for there absolutely atrociousness in showing correct news. One phenomenal character climbed ontop of the bbc building bravely and attatching a palestinian flag to the bbc flags, the palestine flag flys high outside BBC :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/10199808.stm
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What a hero :rolleyes:
 
Moley said:
So what?
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So you saying "Typical of the Israeli's really - such a self important bunch that they have to invent a phrase (anti-semite) to describe when people don't like them,"

is incorrect. It was invented by an Austrian, before Israel existed.

Why can't you say Typical of the Jews really - such a self important bunch that they have to invent a phrase (anti-semite) to describe when people don't like them

What is it about the J word that stops people from using it ?
 
Right, I am not defending the actions of the IDF or the ships crew. I have watched the first video and the video posted above and from what I can tell the IDF did not go in guns blazing. The reporter in the first video said the crew of the boat had tried to grab the guns from the IDF, a mucho retarded idea hence the deaths.

If you were to attempt to grab a gun from a british soldier you would get shot and I am pretty certain the same would happen if you tried to take an armed police officers gun. The Royal navy board ships all the time and im sure if during a search a member of the boarded ships crew made a grab for a Royal marines gun they would be very dead.

The second video clearly shows the use of less lethal weapons (the paintball guns shown near the end of the clip) despite the IDF members getting a serious beating.

IMO if the IDF were going in with the intention to harm the boat crew then the beatings would have been answered with 5.56 rounds not cs or rubber balls from a co2 gun.
 
Darg said:
Okay, far too much of a thread to read through fully. From what I see of the videos the Israeli soldiers were attacked as they boarded the ship. What did they expect? Seriously. They are boarding another countries ship in international waters, did they expect the people on board to just roll over when they were all clearly dedicated to the cause of bringing supplies through the blockade to gaza.

The people on board had every right to defend their ship from assault, end of story. The deaths are due to Israels attacks on the ships. They should never be attacking another countries ship especially when it's not even going to Israel, it was going to Palestine.
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So as soon as they entered territorial waters would the Israelis have every right to defend their territory from foriegn assault and blow them out of the water?
 
Stolly said:
is incorrect. It was invented by an Austrian, before Israel existed.
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Austrian Jew before the state of Israel was created, quite some time after the Land of Israel's existance.... ;)

What is it about the J word that stops people from using it ?
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Don't know TBH. I have no problem with the word "Jew", I just use Jew/Jewish/Hebrew/Israeli interchangably - as do most people who aren't hung up on the details of the country/people/culture/history of Jews either living in Israel or otherwise..... ;)
 
Stolly said:
No not really. Most people know that many Jews are not Israeli and many Israelis are not Jewish. One is a country and one is a religion.

Its not too complicated really.
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Nope. Jews are a race as well as a religion. You have many secular Jews in Israel who are entitled to live in Israel under the Right of Return. It's a state who want their citizens to be of one RACE.

While 79% of Israelis are Jewish now, this was only around 30% before Israel was formed. That is a HUGE demographic feat considering the Palestinians breed in far greater numbers. The aim is to get it to near 100% Jewish by the continuing the forced evictions and expansion of Jewish settlements.
 
MeEsH BaKkA said:
If you were to attempt to grab a gun from a british soldier you would get shot and I am pretty certain the same would happen if you tried to take an armed police officers gun. The Royal navy board ships all the time and im sure if during a search a member of the boarded ships crew made a grab for a Royal marines gun they would be very dead.
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The Royal Navy does not attack ships in international waters that they think will breach a unilaterally-imposed blockade. Someone wrestling a gun from a marine would be shot, but that would not justify the marine having pointed a gun at them or the order for the marines to board the ship in the first place.
 
Ivan Drago said:
Nope. Jews are a race as well as a religion. You have many secular Jews in Israel who are entitled to live in Israel under the Right of Return. It's a state who want their citizens to be of one RACE.

While 79% of Israelis are Jewish now, this was only around 30% before Israel was formed. That is a HUGE demographic feat considering the Palestinians breed in far greater numbers. The aim is to get it to near 100% Jewish by the continuing the forced evictions and expansion of Jewish settlements.
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That's more conspiracy theory, not backed up by the fact that many Israeli Arabs live happily in Israel proper and are not Palestinian either.

I'm glad you are back though, so lets talk about some more of your conspiracy theory from earlier

"It's not entirely implausible to think that the Zionist psy-ops knocked this up on a boat back in Israel after the shootings. We can never know."

Still think this is all Zionist psy-ops ? All three videos posted in this thread ?
 
TJM said:
The Royal Navy does not attack ships in international waters that they think will breach a unilaterally-imposed blockade. Someone wrestling a gun from a marine would be shot, but that would not justify the marine having pointed a gun at them or the order for the marines to board the ship in the first place.
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I totaly agree as I said im not defending either sides actions just trying to rationalise what actually happen on board. It is quite obvious the IDF had taken a non lethal stance despite the actions of the boats crew, It is unfortunate people were killed but attempting to grab a gun from a soldier is going to get you killed no matter what nation or religious background the soldier is from.
 
TJM said:
The Royal Navy does not attack ships in international waters that they think will breach a unilaterally-imposed blockade. Someone wrestling a gun from a marine would be shot, but that would not justify the marine having pointed a gun at them or the order for the marines to board the ship in the first place.
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As established, the Israeli's did not attack anything.
 
Tombo said:
There's no debate in this case, you were wrong and are now trying to make out like you meant something else all along.
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I wasn't/am not wrong and I was expressing an opinion - my last couple of posts are clarifying my position for Stolly. This is something that sometimes happens in reasoned arguments/debates/discussions. I don't "make out" anything - I state my thoughts and either stand by them or modify them based on other peoples input - Stollys contribution has been well thought out and interesting to read and argue with. Unlike yours.
 
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