I am guessing he sees it as justification of the racist comment he made earlier that lots of people badgered him to provide.
Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
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I am guessing he sees it as justification of the racist comment he made earlier that lots of people badgered him to provide.
Muffins, will you please just go away. Every post seems to be screaming; RACIST, BRTISH, ARGH, AUSTRALIA RULEEEZ.
Will you please post some constructive criticism or go back to your oh so glorious land where no evil doers are present.
Oh and then get your head out of your anus.
Will you please post some constructive criticism or go back to your oh so glorious land where no evil doers are present.
Oh and then get your head out of your anus.
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Just responding to a post.
Have a read again of the posts by Moley. If you take his statement of using Jew/Israel as being interchangeble and then read some of his anti isreal posts with that in mind it could be construed as racism. A bit of a stretch but possible.
That really sounds like a bit of a cop-out . . . "We are actually jolly nice caring, sharing people, we just happen to have chosen to delegate the commission of atrocities to our democratically elected government".
I suspect that there are very few Palestinian refugees who would share your analysis of the Israelis as being "friendly and very hospitable" . . . still, they are uninformed foreigners who live in refugee camps, so what would they know about Palestine
That's funny, I seem to remember Ross Kemp in Gaza Interviewing Gazan's and the majority they didn't seem to harbour any sort of hatred they just wanted to live in peace alongside the Israeli's.
Same applied to the Israeli's.
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BTW i said who is being racist in this thread not forum. I'm mean posting quotes and cartoons from other posts\threads seems abit off if i'm honest.
I get your point regarding some member but like i said ages ago (in this post) you will get some people that will jump on their token side and not move from that side even if they are pointed at the facts that prove otherwise. This you cant help as everyone has there own views but calling them racist when I dont think they are isnt fair.
I personally like to go on the facts which arent all in light yet but currently I stand by the statement that I think the crew over reacted and were silly to attack armed men and think that nothing would happen. Give the videos that are being shown at the moment.
The whole was it legal or illegal to board the ship I dont know enough about to be able to even comment on let alone give reasons to back up my reasonings.
This being said i think we will all have to wait for the overall outcome before we all start going in to deeply into the issue. I would like more information before I say who was right or wrong.
I get your point regarding some member but like i said ages ago (in this post) you will get some people that will jump on their token side and not move from that side even if they are pointed at the facts that prove otherwise. This you cant help as everyone has there own views but calling them racist when I dont think they are isnt fair.
I personally like to go on the facts which arent all in light yet but currently I stand by the statement that I think the crew over reacted and were silly to attack armed men and think that nothing would happen. Give the videos that are being shown at the moment.
The whole was it legal or illegal to board the ship I dont know enough about to be able to even comment on let alone give reasons to back up my reasonings.
This being said i think we will all have to wait for the overall outcome before we all start going in to deeply into the issue. I would like more information before I say who was right or wrong.
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All I'm hearing is 'criticism of Israel is anti-semitic' from you, basically. You should be ashamed of playing the racism card and supporting such a brutal regime.
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Big stretch if you ask me.
Just to clarify, I'm not anti-Israeli per se - I am anti-"The Israeli Government" who are a law unto themselves and anti-"Israeli Fundamentalists" who seem just as intent on wiping the Palestinians out as radical Muslims seem to be intent on wiping Israel out.
EDIT: I am also anti-"Hamas Idiots" who launch rockets at Israeli citizens...
Two state solution with land and resources fairly distributed between both races - with Jerusalem as a multicultural and multiracial capital of both states. It can be done, people over there (both sides) need to pull their collective heads out of their arses and do it.
Can't see it happening in my lifetime though - not until the Israeli government is told in no uncertain terms by the international community to start toeing the line....
Yeah and I decided to delete them because after all you are right, they have no place here.
I do think Israel were stupid to play into the flotillas hand. They came out looking like they were itching for a fight.
Egypt have opened the border to allow aid into Gaza.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=10792731
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=10792731
And expect the number of rocket attacks on Israel to increase like the last time the border was open...
why the big drama. Israel is at war.
They stormed boats, and were met with resistance from metal bars and knifes.
Bunch of activist idiots. What were they expecting to happen, soldiers to go, no that's ok, we will surrender to you.
If this was UK or another western country storming a boat in international waters on intel about terrorists, pretty much everyone would be fine with it.
All they had to do was surrender and ask for international assistance. But instead they must be brain dead and attacked armed soldiers. There was only going to be one outcome, when that happens.
They stormed boats, and were met with resistance from metal bars and knifes.
Bunch of activist idiots. What were they expecting to happen, soldiers to go, no that's ok, we will surrender to you.
If this was UK or another western country storming a boat in international waters on intel about terrorists, pretty much everyone would be fine with it.
All they had to do was surrender and ask for international assistance. But instead they must be brain dead and attacked armed soldiers. There was only going to be one outcome, when that happens.
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I can't comment on Ross Kemp's interviews, I didn't see them.
What I can say is that I used to be a massive supporter of "Plucky little Israel" until I met some Palestinians whose families had been driven out of their homeland and who were unable to return home. They were professional people who were reluctantly trying to make new lives for themselves elsewhere in the world and they certainly weren't great fans of Israel or Israelis.
I also worked for nine months with four Israelis (three male and one female); they were highly educated, hard-working, very professional, charming and quite delightful company apart from the fact that without exception, they were quite unapologetically racist and considered Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular to be inferior beings. Perhaps they were exceptions but I don't think so.
As to Israelis living in peace - I'm all in favour of that, just not on land that they have forcibly stolen from someone else.
Gaza has never belonged to the palastines, they have less of a right to the land than the Israelis. The onbly country that has any real claim to the land is the Ottoman/ Turks as the land was taken from them to from these countries.
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The problem is the conflict is self radicalizing, the Palestinians have done some horrific things (bombings specifically targeting children??) which horrify people in Israel who demand retaliation (any country would) which involves the IDF bulldozing people's homes and shooting kids throwing stones. The Palestinians get upset and blow up another bus. Chicken, meet egg.
It's not hard to understand viewing them as inferior and sub human when the principle effect they have on those people's lives is causing them to live in fear because people are trying to blow up their kids.
The more nuanced, informed and vaguely intelligent idea that everybody needs to take a step back and stop killing each other for a moment doesn't get much of a hearing.
My point is, the average Israeli isn't any more prejudiced than the average Briton would be confronted with the same situation. It's not a fun place to live and most people want nothing more than peace - but when it comes to elections and somebody promises security tomorrow that seams a good compromise to them.
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One very obvious difference is that the average Briton isn't an immigrant (despite the claims of the BNP) and didn't get to be a "Briton" as a result of the 20th century theft of the land on which he or she happens to live.
except they're not
exclusion zones can be set up in war time - i.e. Falklands conflict between UK and Argentina
but despite the hamas rocket attacks and the IDF raids in response they're not actually at war
the gaza strip is not officially a sovereign state, technically its just another part of Israel (only a segregated part) - in effect they want to blockade their own coast line which is something they have to do in their own waters.
whether such a blockade of gaza is illegal is a matter for some international court to decide - the UN thinks its not legal
either way the IDF made a very very silly PR mistake in handling this - waiting until they actually entered Israeli waters and NOT sending a small team of armed commandos to deal with a mob of protesters on the Turkish ship could have stopped a lot of the flack and condemnation.
The protesters were clearly looking for a confrontation, publicity etc.. the IDF played straight into their hands and scored an own goal - now Egypt has opened the boarder with Gaza anyway......
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I think that's deeply irrelevant to the question at hand, many of the people you're talking about were born there by this point and it doesn't change the fact that under the circumstance an average citizen of any country could likely come to feel a similar way...