Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

DreadNiK said:
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And apparently telling rather disgusting lies about what happened is ok too:
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It is impossible to tell exactly which "disgusting lies" you are complaining about but I really don't see how anyone in their right mind could believe anything that emanates from the Zionist propaganda machine, they have been hiding facts and ignoring & distorting the truth for decades :rolleyes:
 
stockhausen said:
It is impossible to tell exactly which "disgusting lies" you are complaining about but I really don't see how anyone in their right mind could believe anything that emanates from the Zionist propaganda machine, they have been hiding facts and ignoring & distorting the truth for decades :rolleyes:
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lol. just lol.

Ok - let me spell it out very clearly for you:

"...began to shoot the moment their feet hit the deck. They fired directly into the crowd of civilians asleep"

Maybe this happened. I find it unlikely. I also know that parts of the IDF's account of what happened tally directly with a video we have from at least two angles.

So to claim, without any supporting evidence, that IDF troops committed atrocious war crimes, when all the evidence we actually have suggests otherwise is as good as lying. It is making stuff up, and broadcasting it publicly, to serve their own agenda.

Are you claiming that the videos of the boarding do not show us what happened 'the moment their [the IDF commandos') feet hit the deck', and that it was virtually the opposite of 'firing into a crowd of sleeping civilians'?

Was it really 'impossible to tell' that or are you just an idiot?
 
muffins said:
Lol, seems the author was watching The Running Man before he posted that sputum.
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a 'human rights organisation' that issues press releases that further inflame a bad situation (that of course Israel isn't free from guilt in) by publicly accusing IDF soldiers of murdering sleeping civilians.

Kinda sounds like 'humanitarian peace activists' who violently assault armed commandos boarding their boat?

does.
not.
compute.
 
Tefal said:
Don't you know about sleep bludgeoning?

It's a serious condition that affects thousands of people!
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lmfao

they say if people are sleep-walking(\-bludgeoning\-repelling boarders\-stabbing) you shouldn't try and stop them, just make sure they don't hurt themselves. I guess that's the IDF's bad then, it's clear now why people are so outraged.
 
DIMITRIS GIELALIS, GREECE

"They came up and used plastic bullets, we had beatings, we had electric shocks, any method we can think of, they used."
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From the BBC. Lolwut @ bold bit, especially underlined. Isn't that demonising/inherent bias?
 
DreadNiK said:
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So to claim, without any supporting evidence, that IDF troops committed atrocious war crimes ...
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To repeat . . . what I am claiming is that the Israelis have a very long record of hiding facts and ignoring & distorting the truth - i.e. lying - and of committing atrocious war crimes in Palestine and the Lebanon.

Clear enough for you? :rolleyes:


You are welcome to believe parts of the IDF's account of what happened and that it tallise exactly with some IDF video from at least two angles - personally, I will wait to hear the perhaps equally partisan views of some of the activists attempting to take humanitarian aid to the Palestinians if that's OK with you?


Just to repeat - the Israelis have a very long history of deception, denial and war crimes.
 
stockhausen said:
You are welcome to believe parts of the IDF's account of what happened and that it tallise exactly with some IDF video from at least two angles - personally, I will wait to hear the perhaps equally partisan views of some of the activists attempting to take humanitarian aid to the Palestinians if that's OK with you?
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It doesn't really matter either way though does it? Regardless of what the truth is and who is lying or not you will take the side of the aid workers and believe what they say. You have already made up your mind.
 
stockhausen said:
Just to repeat - the Israelis have a very long history of deception, denial and war crimes.
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Name a country that doesn't have a history of that. Go on. I'll wait.

I'm also still waiting for a mini bio. As at the moment I can only assume you are a wonder-child sitting in Lords with an education so great, you are the go-to guy for everything from Middle East conflicts to Conservative failures.
 
stockhausen said:
To repeat . . . what I am claiming is that the Israelis have a very long record of hiding facts and ignoring & distorting the truth - i.e. lying - and of committing atrocious war crimes in Palestine and the Lebanon.
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Exactly like "peaceful" protesters then, who also have an atrocious record.

Israel search aid ships regularly.
The people on the boat would know this
Therefore why did they fight back?
There is 3 options,
1) they are brain dead
2) they suckered IDF in for the media backlash
3) they had something to hide.

Either way you do not attack fully armed soldiers, there is only going to be one outcome.

America and I'm sure everyone else searches ships in international waters. Drug runs for example.
 
stockhausen said:
At least nine civilian activists protesting against the blockade on the Gaza strip have been killed by Israeli forces. The activists were on a flotilla of ships in international waters carrying aid to the Gaza strip in defiance of the three-year blockade. Act now.

Israel says its forces acted in self-defence but the level of lethal force used by Israeli troops appears to have been out of all proportion to any threat posed.

Amnesty International are calling on Israel to launch an immediate credible and independent investigation into these killings, to allow the UN access to conduct an international inquiry, to provide the names and nationalities of those who were killed and injured, to allow access to those arrested, detained or in hospital by UK officials and their lawyers, promptly to release those who are currently detained unless they are charged with a recognizable criminal offence, not to employ excessive force against demonstrators protesting the events of 31 May, and immediately to lift the blockade on Gaza.

Please email the Foreign Secretary to support the call for a credible, independent and international investigation into the deaths caused by the raid. Act now.
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Stop being a troll excessive force? What you going to do if someone comes at you with a knife, bat, ect I say well done to the isrealis for not shooting more.
 
fadetoblack said:
Stop being a troll excessive force? What you going to do if someone comes at you with a knife, bat, ect I say well done to the isrealis for not shooting more.
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You should know by now that stock is the combination of Adolph Hitler and Eric cartman, if he could find a loose link between global warming and Israel he'd post it on this forum.
 
AcidHell2 said:
America and I'm sure everyone else searches ships in international waters. Drug runs for example.
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As not every may have read it I'll reproduce my other post here:

Rroff said:
Having examined some US test cases to do with drug smuggling it would appear what the Israelis did is on good legal grounds providing:

(A) They have evidence that the ships intended destination was into their territorial waters with the intention of either unloading goods (i.e. into smaller boats in coastal water) or docking. This had previously been publicly announced as the purpose of the convoy.

(B) They have reasonable grounds to suppose the vessels being involved in certain criminal acts that are applicable to the regulation of the high seas. Attempting to smuggle arms would be one of these - and it wouldn't be unreasonable given the prevalent circumstances to suspect a vessel carrying aide to gaza may be used for smuggling weaponry.

This would give the Israelis jurisdiction to carry out a search of these vessels in international waters in a reasonable manner i.e. they can't go in ripping up floorboards unless they have solid evidence of something being hidden there and they can't hold the vessel up indefinitely. Neither can they compel the vessel to continue on into their territorial waters or dock at a place of their choosing other than its intended destination. However should the search find something thats incriminating they would then have grounds to seize the vessel.
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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Drug+...international+legal+principles...-a0214101355 you can see some info there if you can filter out the mumbo jumbo which also references further works that can be examined. Obviously its a complex matter and may not actually be as cut and dried in court.

EDIT: http://www.stripes.com/news/navy-wa...-dumping-contraband-in-mediterranean-1.104498 here they don't even need to prove it was heading into US waters.
 
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