Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

AcidHell2 said:
Exactly like "peaceful" protesters then, who also have an atrocious record. ...
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You know that this isn't true, nobody has a more atrocious record for disproportionate violence than the IOF :rolleyes:


AcidHell2 said:
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Israel search aid ships regularly.
The people on the boat would know this
Therefore why did they fight back?
There is 3 options,
1) they are brain dead
2) they suckered IDF in for the media backlash
3) they had something to hide.
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Alternatively, the aid workers were terrified when a bunch of violent criminal thugs boarded their ship unannounced in the dark :rolleyes:


AcidHell2 said:
... Either way you do not attack fully armed fanatical criminal thugs, there is only going to be one outcome. ...
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I would agree with that.


AcidHell2 said:
... America and I'm sure everyone else searches ships in international waters. Drug runs for example.
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I don't think that either America or everyone else murders humanitarian aid workers - even Somalian pirates don't tend to do that - the Israelis are of course in a completely different league :rolleyes:
 
stockhausen said:
I don't think that either America or everyone else murders humanitarian aid workers - even Somalian pirates don't tend to do that - the Israelis are of course in a completely different league :rolleyes:
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If the US border forces/specops boarded a suspected drug running ship and those onboard tried to take their weapons off them, stabbed at and hit them with bars what do you think is going to happen?
 
stockhausen said:
You know that this isn't true, nobody has a more atrocious record for disproportionate violence than the IOF :rolleyes:


Alternatively, the aid workers were terrified when a bunch of violent criminal thugs boarded their ship unannounced in the dark :rolleyes:


I would agree with that.


I don't think that either America or everyone else murders humanitarian aid workers - even Somalian pirates don't tend to do that - the Israelis are of course in a completely different league :rolleyes:
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Nice arguments there.

Why don't you actually try arguing and not being so petty.

If American stormed a boat and attacked, they would kill if needed.
They have stormed boats in international waters
"aid" workers have smuggled weapons into conflicts
"aid~" workers new that isreal often boarded and searched ships and knew exactly what was going on.

Oh and nice Israeli hatred there. Why not take you blinkers of and look at the event with a bit of perspective and not with blind hatred.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Exactly like "peaceful" protesters then, who also have an atrocious record.

Israel search aid ships regularly.
The people on the boat would know this
Therefore why did they fight back?
There is 3 options,
1) they are brain dead
2) they suckered IDF in for the media backlash
3) they had something to hide.

Either way you do not attack fully armed soldiers, there is only going to be one outcome.

America and I'm sure everyone else searches ships in international waters. Drug runs for example.
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Its obviously a setup, the weapons found wearnt to arm the palestinians, but to fight the israelis when they boarded the ships that where purposely running the blockade.

What happaned in the news went just as the protesters planned...
 
EvilOne said:
Its obviously a setup, the weapons found wearnt to arm the palestinians, but to fight the israelis when they boarded the ships that where purposely running the blockade.

What happaned in the news went just as the protesters planned...
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This is what I also think happened.


They knew Israel would take the bait.
 
Problem is half a dozen probably innocent people died so they could make a point... most of which is irrelevant anyway if its shown the Israelis could legit search the ship in international waters which I think is very likely to happen.

I have very little love for the Israelis but I dislike even more those sticking their head in the lions mouth and then playing the victim card when it gets bitten off.
 
Rroff said:
I have very little love for the Israelis but I dislike even more those sticking their head in the lions mouth and then playing the victim card when it gets bitten off.
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Ah but look at the incredible showing of hate around the world shown by Muslims towards Israel and The West, sacrificing a few low level militants was worth it for this media coup to the instigators.
That's what this was all about as far as I'm concerened.
 
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stockhausen said:
Do you have any idea what might be the reason for this claimed hatred by Muslims around the world for Israel and the West :confused:
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everybody knows full well, but there is such a hatred towards muslims, especially in the west for reasons justified or unjustified, that it doesn't matter.

We live in a time where right is wrong and wrong is right.
 
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SlugForAButt said:
Ah but look at the incredible showing of hate around the world shown by Muslims towards Israel and The West, sacrificing a few low level militants was worth it for this media coup to the instigators.
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Stockhausen, you seemed to forget to quote the rest of that sentence. :eek:
Misquoting and intentionally taking out of context doesn't make for a good argument.
Instead of trying to force feed us how badly the Palestinians are treat, maybe you should deal with the statements in hand.
 
The IDF, like the US Coast Guard has the legal right to intercept and board ships approaching its territorial waters. I saw the video of the boarding and the IDF was clearly being attacked with sticks and knives. Also, the video showed some IDF were being thrown over the decks. As their lives were endangered the IDF responded per their rules of engagement which resulted in some casualties.

Again, if this was a flotilla of Mexican ships approaching the US shores would there be any issue if the US Coast Guard defended themselves against attack??? I think not.
 
mushroomsoup said:
The IDF, like the US Coast Guard has the legal right to intercept and board ships approaching its territorial waters. I saw the video of the boarding and the IDF was clearly being attacked with sticks and knives. Also, the video showed some IDF were being thrown over the decks. As their lives were endangered the IDF responded per their rules of engagement which resulted in some casualties.

Again, if this was a flotilla of Mexican ships approaching the US shores would there be any issue if the US Coast Guard defended themselves against attack??? I think not.
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Kerching! Good shot!

But they wouldn't be as media aware as Muslims, the perpetual victims (as proved again).
Once again, the Muslim world is inflammed by something they themselves have caused.
They seem to be the most blameless, aggressive people in the world. :rolleyes:
 
An alternative view . . .

Visit HERE for an alternative perspective on the Israeli attack on the ships attempting to get humanitarian aid to the Palestinians in Gaza.



As a matter of interest, I wonder why the Israelis have stolen all the cameras, mobiles and laptops of the people on the ships :confused:

Is it possible that they don't want unedited independent video footage to reach the public domain :confused:
 
stockhausen said:
*drivel irrelevant to the subject being discussed*


You are welcome to believe parts of the IDF's account of what happened and that it tallise exactly with some IDF video from at least two angles - personally, I will wait to hear the perhaps equally partisan views of some of the activists attempting to take humanitarian aid to the Palestinians if that's OK with you?


*more irrelevant drivel*
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it isn't a case of 'believing' the parts of the IDF's account that tally with video footage. Do you care to dispute any part of what people believe the videos show?

Sure, we don't know what happened before and after the video. But my point was, it looks likely from the videos we know what happened 'the moment their feet touched the deck' and it is certainly not what freegaza claim in their press release. PLEASE ADDRESS THIS POINT.

I don't care what you think of Israel. I don't care what I think of Israel. What I care about is soldiers being publicly accused of horrific crimes without evidence that refutes what evidence we do have, which is that they did not open fire on sleeping civilians the moment they landed on the boat. What I care about is the fact that a 'humanitarian aid organisation' has made these accusations.
 
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