Gunman on the loose in Cumbria!

robgmun said:
Not sure why they weren't banned in the first place to be frank, they serve no useful purpose in the UK apart from killing
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We NEED them on our family farm, controlling rabbits and other pests is vital. Banning guns doesnt work as only legal, responisble owners are punished. The handgun ban is proof of this as guncrime has rocketed since they was banned.

Alcohol kills more people a year than guns in the uk. Ban that.
 
Where's Tony Martin when you need him?! This nutjob would have the shock of his life if good old Tone was on the case!
 
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Abraham said:
How so? there are probably hundreds of shotguns in farms around where he currently is, I'd still rather it was a police officer that intervened than some other nutter with a shotgun...
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Exactly. Instead of one man running around with a shotgun, lets have lots. That's going to end horrifically, not to mention making harder for the Police to identify who the real nutter is.
 
Dolph said:
Remove the gun related, and look at crime as a whole.
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And that applies how?

Dolph said:
Also remember to split the USA into states and look at the gun controls in each one. That is unless you're someone who thinks the severity of the murder is determined by the weapon used...
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No of course I don't determine the severity of the murder on the weapon used. Supplying more people with guns will increase the amount of gun related crime; it's a simple fact of life. You can't not justify your original post I'm afraid Dolph and thankfully, it seems the majority agree that you can't.

Dolph said:
No, but I'm saying that he might well have already been stopped if we weren't so paranoid about legitimate gun ownership.
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Can you suggest how and legally this would have been stopped? Vigilantes roaming the streets perhaps after seeing this on the news?
 
Abraham said:
Hopefully (for her) they weren't actually random people, it would seem unusual that he would travel around different places and just choose randoms in each one, would have thought either randoms all in one place or specific individuals in different places. However you can't always apply logic to the mind of someone who goes on a shotgun powered rampage.
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I think random. One eyewitness report earlier said he shot 4 people down one street including a cyclist. You couldn't plan that all your targets would be together down one street especially if one was on a cycle and one in a car.
 
Abraham said:
How so? there are probably hundreds of shotguns in farms around where he currently is, I'd still rather it was a police officer that intervened than some other nutter with a shotgun...
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So would I, but given that the police aren't a protective force, but a reactive one, the choice you currently have in most cases is between facing the nutter with the shotgun alone and defenceless or being very very lucky in just happening to have a policeman there.
 
GSDog said:
One of the eye witnesses on BBC News said she saw a police officer running towards the man after he'd opened fire.
I wonder if that police officer had been armed if the man would have been stopped there and then.

I think it's time our police officers were routinely armed. What the heck are they meant to do if they see the man shooting people on the street?
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True, if we had armed police we could save a person or two's life every 5-10 years but to even it out the police will probably kill dozens of innocent/petty criminals instead... Not to mention the massive increase of guns in the criminal world...
 
Greebo said:
I think random. One eyewitness report earlier said he shot 4 people down one street including a cyclist. You couldn't plan that all your targets would be together down one street especially if one was on a cycle and one in a car.
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However opening fire on a taxi rank and a taxi driver when he himself is a taxi driver seems less random. I'm just reserving judgement until the whole thing is over, on the reason behind it front at least.
 
robbiemc said:
Exactly. Instead of one man running around with a shotgun, lets have lots. That's going to end horrifically, not to mention making harder for the Police to identify who the real nutter is.
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They could always shoot everybody who is carrying a gun :confused:

It beggars belief that people are seriously suggesting that a fully armed citizenry would be a smart way to reduce and control gun crime :rolleyes:

It is even more disturbing that these Neanderthals are permitted to procreate :eek:
 
JamesU2005 said:
And that applies how?
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Because gun availability only increases gun crime, not overall crime. You don't get more murders if guns are available, you get more gun murders. When guns aren't available, the murder rate doesn't drop.

Ergo, the ban is pointless and ineffective. The states of the USA with the highest murder rates are those with the strictest controls, and there is a clear correlation between CCW availability and overall crime rate.

No of course I don't determine the severity of the murder on the weapon used. Supplying more people with guns will increase the amount of gun related crime; it's a simple fact of life. You can't not justify your original post I'm afraid Dolph and thankfully, it seems the majority agree that you can't.
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But not the amount of overall crime, which is surely the point?

Can you suggest how and legally this would have been stopped? Vigilantes roaming the streets perhaps after seeing this on the news?
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Since when was self-defence, either of the individual or of someone else, illegal?
 
Dolph said:
So would I, but given that the police aren't a protective force, but a reactive one, the choice you currently have in most cases is between facing the nutter with the shotgun alone and defenceless or being very very lucky in just happening to have a policeman there.
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You have skipped quite a few possible steps in going from not having a policeman there to everyone being trained to shoot to kill if they feel their life is threatened.
 
My sympathies go out to the families and I hope this nut job does us all a favour and blows his brains out before hurting anyone else.

As for banning guns, well the gun laws has not stopped or reduced gun crimes so they are pretty pointless more harsher gun laws will be as equally pointless.
 
Abraham said:
You have skipped quite a few possible steps in going from not having a policeman there to everyone being trained to shoot to kill if they feel their life is threatened.
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You don't need everyone trained, not by a long shot. Even a small percentage of CCW holders has a massive effect on violent crime rates, especially because it is not the fact that the victim is armed that creates the change. The only time everyone needs to be trained is if everyone is alone with the gunman...
 
The guy is a nutter.

He could have driven his car and taken out about 10 people if he had wanted to.

Guns have nothing to do with it.
 
Dolph said:
You don't need everyone trained, not by a long shot. Even a small percentage of CCW holders has a massive effect on violent crime rates, especially because it is not the fact that the victim is armed that creates the change.
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I wasn't aware that violent crime was a particularly perceived problem in the rural lakes?
 
Dolph said:
... the choice you currently have in most cases is between facing the nutter with the shotgun alone and defenceless or being very very lucky in just happening to have a policeman there.
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. . . as opposed to having everyone going about their daily business armed to the teeth and killing anyone who looks a wee bit suspect . . . or upsets them in some minor way . . . perhaps someone "upset" this guy? :rolleyes:
 
Dolph said:
Since when was self-defence, either of the individual or of someone else, illegal?
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Did I suggest self-defence was illegal? Not sure which post of mine I said that. :rolleyes:

I was stating that the police should be left to deal with the situation, not ask citizens to roam the streets with their hunting rifles.

You are clearly in the minority on this one.
 
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