Donor Organs & People that do not deserve them

The 30 year smoker's lungs are far more likely to be far healthier than those of someone with CF. I bet the average life of someone who's smoked 30 years is a lot more years than someone with CF
 
The recipient's father should be thankful for the fact his daughter was fortunate enough to recieve the donated organs.

We have no idea how the recipient would have felt or the decision she'd have made, we simply have her father's sense of outrage.

It was after applying for the medical notes on the transplant that Ms Scott's family discovered the donor was a smoker, although there is no suggestion this contributed to her death.
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Bottom line, whether it's ungreatful or not - she should have been told about the state of the lungs. They are, afterall, going into her body. She has a right to know. That isn't debatable.
 
Deific said:
Bottom line, whether it's ungreatful or not - she should have been told about the state of the lungs. They are, afterall, going into her body. She has a right to know. That isn't debatable.
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We do not know what the patient was told, all the news story tells us is that the patient's father believes she would not have accepted a smoker's lungs, she may well have been told that the organs were 'marginal' - a term that applies to donors being aged over 55 amongst other things- and agreed on that basis.

An organ and it's suitability for transplatation can be objectively assessed, whereas one's feeling on the lifestyle choices of the donor cannot.
 
dmpoole said:
I'm a bit lost here.
Are you saying because the father said something that she didn't deserve the organ transplant?

Is it wrote anywhere that she said she was horrified?
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I am saying if the "horrified" comment could be attributed to the daughter she did not deserve them.

I can understand being objective and saying, i would prefer non smokers lungs as the are likely to be better than somone who smoked, but to say "horrified" is quite a leap.
 
Strife212 said:
They killed her?
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They didn't, read the article.

"It was after applying for the medical notes on the transplant that Ms Scott's family discovered the donor was a smoker, although there is no suggestion this contributed to her death. "

The whole article is about how she would hate that the functioning lungs she was given because they were used to smoke. The fact that they work and hers didn't should be the overriding decision, not morals about smoking and if a doctor decides they are safe, I would take them over dying due to CF.

By the sounds of it they are short of lungs, so it's not as if she could pick and choose. If I had CF I would jump at the chance for lungs; prolonging a life by even a few years (given the cancer risk alleged in this thread) would see a much nicer life without having the implications on your ability to lead a normal life that CF creates.
 
Idiots.
The doctors didn't tell her because it's either crappy lungs or death and sometimes patients are too stubborn to realise that.
Without medical training, scared out of their mind. Patients are going to be idiots, if doing no harm means lying or withholding information then they should damn well do it.
The guys clearly just angry and looking to blame someone for his daughters death, again, stupidly.

Crappy old charred lungs are better than no lungs at all, and it's not like we're swimming in organs is it?
 
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The father is a disgrace in my opinion. Any chance is better than no chance for your daughter.
But then again, I can smell the unpalateable stench of "no blame no claim" solicitors coming to beat down his door. He's playing the victim already. Watch this space.
 
Lungs recover when you stop smoking in any case, they're as good as 'normal non smokers lungs' after a few years. Not that it matters in her case ;)
 
james.miller said:
I dont need any medical knowledge. What i need is the truth and the respect to make my own decisions based on the facts presented to me as a patient.

what makes you think a doctor has the right to choose a pair of lungs over a patient? the point Allen Scott made was that yes his daughter was given the choice, but it wasn't a choice based on fact. She wasnt made aware of where the lungs came from and she should have been, and if she didnt want them? her choice, and its not a chocie she would have made easily.

9/10 people are idiots? no. But people who say that are, how incredibly naive.



Maybe it's worth you asking one of those doctors for their opinion then. It might suprise you.
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Excuse me but making that choice wether you want them or not means another person might die. It's not a simple thing by the time those lungs are sorted and transported to their destination thats it they either go in the person or go in the incinerator time scales are very tight on transplant. You make it sound like oh wait i don't wont those lungs now send them 300 miles away to the person that will be dead in a couple of hours
 
This is my point. Guys like that would be too stubborn to take a set of working lungs and die as a result.
People are generally idiots, especially when fear motivates their decisions.

The best doctors have the worst records, but the best figures, they're prepared to get into trouble and do whatever it takes to save a life. And if they can deal with the ungrateful idiot at the end of it? All the more respect to them.
 
"Allan Scott said the old adage that doctor knows best does not hold"

The doctor knows better than you that's for sure. Is this guy positioning himself for some form of compensation?
 
if it had been the smoking that caused her death then I could kind of understand his anger, but there's no link according to the article. So I agree with the OP. Think how the donors family would feel if they read his comments. The donor gave her the chance of a better life, seems very ungrateful.
 
So many people quick to judge, has nobody stopped to consider that this is a normal father - a normal human that is looking for somebody or something to blame for the death of his beloved daughter.

Consider, contemplate, judge.
 
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