North Korea

a1ex2001 said:
Going on one of these 'Tours' is pretty much the same as donating money straight to the North Korean government in exchange for which they will take you on a highly sanitised tour of selected locations. You will see nothing of local culture and have no oppertunity to explore and interact without strict supervision. Save your money.
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Yeah - well I guess however you go there you won't have a chance to see anything on your own accord , if you're with a guard or 2 at all times :(
 
Ironic Namesake said:
Yeah - well I guess however you go there you won't have a chance to see anything on your own accord , if you're with a guard or 2 at all times :(
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That's right. Going by train you see a lot more though. I spoke at length once with an English guy who runs the tours for a company called Koryo tours. He's actually managed to slip out of the hotel a few times and go jogging around Pyongyang - much to the dismay of the locals...
 
i seriously can't get my head around this place. i watched the youtube of the only person to escape the north korean prison system. seems some people literally spend their life in prison under torturous conditions.
i also watched another video of a female traffic director, who directed with military precision but in the video there were children running along the footpath which i couldn't get my head around either after watching the prison video
 
cm1179 said:
i seriously can't get my head around this place. i watched the youtube of the only person to escape the north korean prison system. seems some people literally spend their life in prison under torturous conditions.
i also watched another video of a female traffic director, who directed with military precision but in the video there were children running along the footpath which i couldn't get my head around either after watching the prison video
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There's a few interesting videos on there. There was a documentary about a woman who escaped and then returned to pull her sister out. The sister then begged to go back to North Korea. Seemed genuine enough (was on BBC IIRC).

There's also a very disturbing smuggled video of what looks like life to most North Koreans (not that we can ever really know for sure what goes on there).
Video is here
 
qwerty said:
But it is all the people have ever known, and they are told by the government that they have the best living standards in the world. Most of them are therefore happy.
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Perhaps, but I doubt it, there is a massive black market for illegal goods and when you people see people dieing of starvation you must know something isn't right.

What about the guards in the DMZ, don't they wonder why they are so much shorter than the SK guards?
 
Pyongyang is in the middle of the left coast. Seems a pretty bad country to be born into, no freedom or anything!
 
Watched a few documentaries on the place and it's in a pretty bad state, famine and poverty are wide struck but the people there are completely brainwashed. They are told the living conditions are amazing due to the god like figure of Kim Jong-il and his father. One documentary I think was mentioned where they brought an outside doctor in to perform a number of operations to remove cataracts. Some of the older people hadn't been able to see for 20 years+, after the doctor performed the operation they started going hysterical crying and praising Kim Jong-il as a God that has made them see. Obviously the doctor was never even acknowledged.
 
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My god I love Korean women...

I would be very interested in visiting North Korea just to see how strange it actually is. The things you read about just make it sound fascinating..
 
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