Any mac diehards starting to become a bit concerned with the prices?

yeah apple are the only company to improve their products over time =)

macs are just horribly priced, esp as people will start gaming on them, then that low end hardware will really start to loose that Apple magic :eek::eek::eek:

indeed... Steam being bought to macs will most likely push all but the most deluded gamers who use macs back to pc's when they see how the performance compares
 
same happened with the Mac pro 2009 model had to be redesigned, for the new xeons which takes lot of money. soon we will see more reasonable prices.

if you look at all the reasonable products from apple - Imac - ipod touch

they havent been updated in regards to design for a while so now there more reasonable

Mac Pro hasn't had a real redesign in literally years, it's just got a new CPU.

The iMac DID have a big external redesign including a new display, so that's that one out of the window.

Also, EVERY product gets designed - it's not like Apple are the only company to have designers. Sure, their designers might be better, but every single product from a clothes peg to a jumbo jet gets R&D. If a company redesigns something, it comes out of existing profit - they don't tack it on top.

I think a lot of people are missing my point in this thread.

Entry level Macs have gone up by hundreds of pounds for no apparent reason, and their increases have gone up more, in many cases, than the prices of other products affected by the same external factors (exchange rate).

They are approaching completely pricing out lower end customers - a lot of them switchers. Switchers are Apple's biggest market. Yeah, they know they have their loyal customers in the bag, but new Mac users have always found the higher pricing a little hard to stomach, understandably - Apple are only increasing that. Making the main obstacle even bigger, and with no discernible benefit in my eyes.

My beef is not with Apple's pricing in general - I'm a believer that you get what you pay for and am absolutely of the belief that the extra money you spend on a Mac is absolutely worth it.

I struggle, however, to just include these price hikes in that rationale. £649 for a Mac Mini? It's in the exact same position in the market the first Mac Mini was - a lower cost, entry level Mac designed to take the sting out of the switch, both financially and as far as upheaval. You can use some of your kit with it, so the switch isn't so drastic, and if you don't like it, just sell it on and plug your old machine back in. You can switch between your PC and your Mini quite easily, 3/4 cables. The financial part has completely vanished now, in my estimation.

Same with the base level iMac. £799 for a great machine, fantastic. Two years on, yes it's better, but all machines are better than two years ago - they haven't all jumped in price by £170. That's more than a 20% increase in price for a machine that occupies the same slot in the market - it's effectively the same machine.

£1500 for the lowest spec 15" MBP? I know it's a high spec machine, but why do you have to pay so much for a 15" screen? It always irked me before, but now the gap is just enormous. I speak to customers who have poor eyesight or need a large screen for some other reason, but Apple say no, no they don't need a big screen unless they're a power user with tons of money. White Macbook for you sir, you're too poor for a 15" laptop.

Other manufacturers don't do this.

I'm a huge fan of Apple's products but some of their practices, especially recently, are starting to wind me up somewhat. You have to have this, you have to have this if you want this too. Choices are beginning to be taken away.

I know the products and I know the customers inside out, having sold to and trained Apple users for years now, and it's not just me that finds it frustrating.

I've got a Macbook that cost me £699 and it's still going strong after 3.5 years, used daily by my parents, and by me quite often. Can't have that any more though, got to pay £849 for a machine which actually, if we're honest, is almost of a lower spec than my old one, comparatively. No Firewire. You want Firewire? You need the Macbook PRO, because only PROS need Firewire. £999, ta. In fairness, my £699 Macbook was when the Pound was stomping all over the Dollar. That's what I want to work out.

I honestly do hope it's all down to the exchange rate and it settles down, other people in this thread have said the same thing about a few products, cars and pushbikes for example, and I do hope it's just a global company going 'meh, let the consumer take the exchange rate', because at least that means it could settle at some point. The OP I made was also to try and find out from people who know whether this is the case or not, and it does seem like it could genuinely be a large contributing factor.

I'm just a tiny bit worried that it's Apple saying 'no **** it, make them pay more'.

For example, I personally think the iPad is absolutely absurdly priced. We're still not even remotely close to supplying the demand for it though, seeing as Apple ****ed all the Resellers by deciding at the last minute to slash their allocations and give them to DSGi instead :/
 
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I blame a lot of it on Apple products being a 'fashion' item.

Yes us lot like ipads, iphones and Macs as they are innovative etc etc but the crowd of dopey checkout blondes want Apple products because they are 'cool'.

Far more people own iphones who are not IT literate than those who are IT literate.

Apple products are a fashion item and a premium brand, so they cost £££'s, in the same way that Levi jeans are a premium brand and 'cool' they cost £££s even though something similar can be had for half the price.

This is just the way it is, be 'cool' and stump up the cash or don't be cool but have something equally as good for half the price.
The £ to $ rate is only an excuse to increase prices. Prices won't come down if the rate goes back into the UK's favour again.
 
Companies that push their prices up going into a Depression, don't survive Depressions.

That's a pretty infallible rule.

Maybe Apple are just 'cashing out their chips' while the 'cashing out' is still good?

Stuff made in China costs the square root of Sweet FA to make anyhow.

When China blows up (and China is going to blow up), where's Apple going to go?

Foxconn won't be the last firm exiting stage left asap, and leaving 800,000 employees behind.

Just pondering aloud, move along, nothing to see here.
 
But come on 150 gbp price increase for a machine with 2008 c2d in it lol.

Its like ordering a c2qe when you got the money for a i7E lol
 
Far more people own iphones who are not IT literate than those who are IT literate.

Speaking purely about the original iPhone...

It was the first smartphone created for the "average" consumer. Which is why it is so popular and changed the industry. It was also the most atrocious smartphone out at the time (no 3G, no Apps, no GPS, etc., etc., etc.) and was shockingly overpriced in the UK.

You bought it either because it had an Apple logo on it or it was the first smartphone you had a chance of being able to use. Or you are just stupid.

To relink this back into topic...

Apple always try to shaft consumers by providing incentives (better looking if not that more expensive design etc.). It's just how they operate. If people don't like it (and don't buy it!) they then tend to go with the consumer, with such examples being:

$100 gift voucher after mass complaints about the iPhone price drop in the US
Better original iPhone tariffs from O2 in the UK after most people didn't buy an iPhone due to price
Steve Job's (Apple's?) non-official statement that if the iPad didn't sell there was plenty of room to bring the price down.

At the end of the day, Apple makes a product. If people buy that product Apple makes a (huge) profit. If they are making huge profits why bring the price down?

If you complain about Apple's prices, don't buy their products. Like I won't be any time soon. If this happens on a big enough scale, prices will come down. Simple ;)
 
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Companies that push their prices up going into a Depression, don't survive Depressions.

That's a pretty infallible rule.

That's complete rubbish, it's economic fact that in certain markets raising prices is exactly the right thing to do in such circumstances, probably for Apple that applies. Premium brands loose customers during economic downturns, Apple will never (thankfully) compete with Dell on price so they'll loose customers when times are bad on those grounds.

So, the options are either to accept reduced revenue as a result or increase margin on the remaining customers to keep revenue flat, now like it or not, Apple's financials for the last year suggest it's been a successful strategy for them...
 
It's ridiculous and while it continues, I will be buying second hand so Apple won't be getting my money.

Yeah, cause that works well. Because the person selling it to you isn't just about to take your cash and give it to Apple in return for a machine to replace the one they sold you?
 
Yeah, cause that works well. Because the person selling it to you isn't just about to take your cash and give it to Apple in return for a machine to replace the one they sold you?

While that may be true, at least I'll be getting a better value machine. As many others have said - £649 for a Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz computer is way overpriced, especially when you can get a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro for around £500 second hand.
 
While that may be true, at least I'll be getting a better value machine. As many others have said - £649 for a Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz computer is way overpriced, especially when you can get a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro for around £500 second hand.

Debatable, failure rates increase with age, a second hand machine has an unknown history. Cheaper doesn't mean better value automatically.

I've also made the point already that actually the price of a mac mini compares alright with similar premium small form factor machines like those made by hush pc for instance. On pure spec it's maybe more expensive than the equivalent Dell (though no other big brand small form factor machine offers a comparable graphics subsystem) but spec has never been the point.

I still don't buy the cheap machine for switchers point, as I said before, I think so few people buy them for that reason that it can safely be ignored. I know virtually no one (who isn't into gaming or something) that's bought a new desktop in the last few years, laptops rule new PC sales these days (particularly in Apple's target markets) and most of them are spending £700-900+ whatever they buy...
 
netbooks seem to be gaining a lot of popularity over laptops, as they are cheaper, offer the same functionality and are smaller/lighter.

i cant really see why some1 would buy a £700+ laptop unless they were using it as their sole machine.
 
I've got an i5 desktop PC with a radeon 5850 graphics card in it, awesome machine. What do I spend most of my time on if i'm not in the mood for gaming? My 15" macbook pro. Why? Because it's awesome, it works, the battery lasts forever and I like it. Yes I paid a small fortune for it, but i'd like to see a windows laptop last 7 hours on a full charge. Plus it feels good to use, its sturdy, the keyboard doesnt squeek or bounce when I type fast on it. The hinge doesnt creak when I open the lid. It just oozes quality. That alone for me is worth it.

My Dell M1330 did/does... However I agree with you and others on some points. The big issue with the Apple comparison is so many people try and compare a £400 machine with a £1000 machine. There is a reason (and it's not just the badge) one is more expensive than the other... Quality, power, battery life...

Spend £400-600 on a laptop and you will invariably end up with a creaky, plasticy piece of carp. Yes it has the same insides but the external looks and build quality are atrocious. Spend £1000 on a laptop from a decent brand (as already mentioned, Dell, HP, Sony and Apple) and you get something much better. Solid, well put together, decent keyboard etc. Guess how much my M1330 was, with it's solid build quality, decent keyboard and battery life... I didn't get any change from £1000...

I've said this a few times before but the 13" macbooks actually seem reasonable value (if they ever upgrade the processors...), £1000 for a decent 13" machine, Sony do the 13" Z and S (I think) serieses, the former starts at around £1500 and the latter around £1000. The 15" and 17" macbooks are overpriced for what they are however.

I'd say people are considering upgrading for the sake of things, because I've done it myself.

Had a 2008 Mac Pro.. roll on 2009 and I looked at upgrading to the latest and greatest "because I could" and decided not to because my money bought me considerably less. The Mac Mini in this case is 1 example where someone coming from an earlier model might decide to keep their machine because they get less bang per buck. I'm sure Apple will see this in the Mac Mini sales.

If they bring down prices when the market comes back around then I'll understand, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't. Apple are notoriously stubborn.

Same with windows machines. It's one of the things that always makes me laugh about certain mac zealots (not saying you are in the slightest). Somehow windows machines are supposed to slow down over the years whereas an equivilent age mac apparently doesn't. Neither slow down, however some programs get more power hungry, files get bigger and it takes longer to process. This is the fate of both windows and OSX, however both are going to be fine surfing the net, even if they are 6 year old machines....

One thing I do think however is that the linear upgrade possibility with macs is a positive for those with upgrade fever. There is only one upgrade they can do each year, unlike windows machines (either prebuilt or hand built) which have new components available constantly.

I'm still of the camp that doesn't think most of their products are over priced however. Their entry level macbook, mini and iPads are overpriced, however the 13" macbook pro, iMacs, iPhones (disregarding contracts) and iPods aren't, they are essentially market averages.

also no its just i get exactly the same functionality and speed from a £280 netbook with linux than some1 else gets with a £800 Mac book...i guess i have more sense than money....more fool me.

Not in the slightest. Try running Photoshop with a couple of large photos being edited on your netbook... Aside from the lack of screen real estate you will have serious issues with the RAM and processor...:p
 
As for old vs new product pricing and the exchange rate. Another example that makes the price increases on Apple products look pittiful is the increase in cost of photographic gear. Prices went up around 1/4-1/3 in the last year or two, in a couple of big jumps. It got to the point where people buying new just before the hikes can sell some gear used for the same or greater price than they bought new. A lot of ~£900 lenses (before the increase) have gone up to around £1100-1200 since.
 
netbooks seem to be gaining a lot of popularity over laptops, as they are cheaper, offer the same functionality and are smaller/lighter.

i cant really see why some1 would buy a £700+ laptop unless they were using it as their sole machine.

There are lots of reasons. If you are a net surfer then a 13/15" netbook is probably fine for you but for lots of other things you need far more power than a netbook can provide. I think i'd cry if I had to do proper photo processing on a netbook! On the other hand I bought a powerful 13" machine for quite a bit more that is almost/just as portable yet far more powerful.
 
Personally, my response to this is...

How often do you need a new machine?

Back when I used to use PCs at home, you always had to keep upgrading them, because they always started to struggle, especially with games.

My first Mac was a Powerbook G4, it's about five and a half years old now and I still use it as a laptop just fine. Then I bought a Mac Pro a couple of years ago, and I don't see myself needing to upgrade from that for quite some time.

So yeah, they might be high prices initially, but then I feel I've gotten a lot of use out of them. I don't really see the need to be upgrading on them all the time, unless you are the type of person who has to have the new Mac Book Pro/Mac Book/Mini whatever....

That's just about the daftest thing I have ever read. You could spend half as much on a Dell or Toshiba and get just as many years of use out of it - especially if you do not game on it [as most people don't!].
 
Mac Pro price was honestly ridiculous compared to a faster self build but the loss of OS X was worth the double the price.

Some people may think that is ridiculous and yes it is however in my opinion Windows is just so so poor...

So actually until OS X dies out or Windows finally sorts it out then I'll be paying whatever Apple sets :(

Although before I leave uni im going to buy the best Mac Pro out :p save 17% lol!
 
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