Public sector pay freeze

[[TW]Fox]

I work in the private sector and haven't had a pay rise for two years now. What surprises me is that the public sector have gone on as if nothing has happened.

Gone on doing what, being paid less than you are now for the same sort of job even taking into account your lack of pay rise? Why yes, I suspect they have gone on doing that.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but a private company makes profit by selling goods and services to customers. If the customers stop buying goods and services, the company makes less money and can ill afford to hand out pay rises and the level of work available for employees falls.

A public organisation does not make profits and in times of recession, people do not stop telephoning for ambulances, commiting crime and grass does not stop growing and bins do not stop filling up. Therefore the level of work for public sector employees does not fall in the same way and for the same reasons as that for private sector employees.

I thought it was fairly obvious, really?

 

[aproctor]

Quite what the £250 pay rise for people on under 21k I've no idea. What ever happened to earnings being about ability rather than how needy you've been considered to be

I think it is to avoid penalising lower wage earners.

 

[[TW]Fox]

What's the matter, the average GP's £110,000 salary not enough for you? If you were in private industry, people would be calling for you to be over-taxed on that salary. Why do public sector workers think they are different?

Most GP's are not really public sector workers? They are self employed businessmen. They are thus also not covered by this pay freeze for this very reason.

 

[scorza]

What's the matter, the average GP's £110,000 salary not enough for you? If you were in private industry, people would be calling for you to be over-taxed on that salary. Why do public sector workers think they are different?

£110k isn't that much in the private sector. Amazing really considering that a doctor saves lives and eases people's suffering, whereas you can earn a lot more as a Management Consultant who only increases people's suffering

 

[Goberpiles316]

I work in the private sector and haven't had a pay rise for two years now. What surprises me is that the public sector have gone on as if nothing has happened.

Total rubbish, people have not been replaced when leaving for the past 3-4 years, pay rises have been a joke even for the lowest earners, sub 14k a year, and as said above if anything the work load has increased, more people getting bus passes, more people at home to moan, the main government make a decision to make us do something and we just get on with it with no extra help or resources or payment.

 

[Gangster]

Does pay freeze but food, bills rise? Or do they freeze too...?

 

[Raumarik]

Lol, the pensions which are paying out more than they're getting in? Yeah, they sound rubbish...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8460542.stm

And, if the private sector's such a great place to work, why not move?

I did - I moved from private to public sector, it was my choice. The same one you have, but instead lets bitch and whine about how the grass is greener whilst taking home more money.

I work in the private sector and haven't had a pay rise for two years now. What surprises me is that the public sector have gone on as if nothing has happened.

Another myth. We've been trying to save money every year in our department for the past 4 years, budget is generally cut by 5% a year and the savings are made in losing staff, improving systems, altering SLAs or simply discontinuing services. I know we're not the only one either. Remember that public sector workers have had their pay "restructured" at least once in the past few years, for some it meant a pay rise, but for many it meant pay freeze or in some cases a large pay cut.

Don't believe everything you read in the papers. The only thing that annoys me at the moment is that the Scottish "government" will try to stall the impact of the budget rather than taking the hit now, which seems daft.

 

[SlugForAButt]

I work in the private sector and haven't had a pay rise for two years now. What surprises me is that the public sector have gone on as if nothing has happened.

+1, that is what galls people.

 

[Raumarik]

Most GP's are not really public sector workers? They are self employed businessmen. They are thus also not covered by this pay freeze for this very reason.

Spot on [TW]Fox, They are essentially private businesses working to the NHS standard, hitting NHS targets but have private contracts.

 

[I get around]

You ask me we should put more tax on bankers and top earners as much as we can realistically get away with.
You might be cutting the defecit but you're causing hell in already overstretched public services.

 

[aproctor]

every friend I have that works in the private sector earns a good 10-20k more then me a year.

So why not move to the private sector?

I really don't think the public sector is as badly paid as many make out, most people are earning £20-25k by the time they are 30 which may not be the earth, but i can think of many jobs which pay less.

 

[[TW]Fox]

+1, that is what galls people.

I'd like you to read the post I made above explaining how demand differs during recession, and then explain to me why you feel its 'unfair' that private sector staff who found sales decrease should not receive a pay rise whereas public sector staff who saw no reduction in demand or workload should.

 

[aproctor]

You might be cutting the defecit but you're causing hell in already overstretched public services.

I do think a lot of public sector workers are not as productive as they could be, not through ability just that they have never had to be.

Saying that there are an awful lot who do work hard, but again with the right type of pressure how much more efficient could they be?

 

[[TW]Fox]

So why not move to the private sector?

Perhaps he isn't motivated purely by money? There are a suprising amount of people in the public sector who see what they do as a vocation not simply 'a job'. Most nurses for example do not nurse for the money - they do it because they actually want to. They could leave tommorrow and earn £10k more be being a BA Cabin Crew member but they wont, because they don't want to.

I really don't think the public sector is as badly paid as many make out, most people are earning £20-25k by the time they are 30 which may not be the earth, but i can think of many jobs which pay less.

£20k at 30 really isn't a lot of money. At all.

 

[aproctor]

+1, that is what galls people.

Many people are using the public sector as a scape goat for their own lack of success (in good times and bad).

 

[Xinn]

I was expecting the public sector to be getting hit a lot harder in this Budget.

Luckily I come under the under 21k earners and it will be nice getting that extra ~£20 a month in the pay packet.

 

[aproctor]

Perhaps he isn't motivated purely by money? There are a suprising amount of people in the public sector who see what they do as a vocation not simply 'a job'. Most nurses for example do not nurse for the money - they do it because they actually want to. They could leave tommorrow and earn £10k more be being a BA Cabin Crew member but they wont, because they don't want to.



£20k at 30 really isn't a lot of money. At all.

No it isn't mega bucks, but store managers of WH smiths, Woolies (not now ), Blockbusters etc are not on a considerable amount more and have more responsibility/pressure.

How much do you think someone who works as a bank behind the desk pulls in? I can assure you it is not 50 large.

 

[Goberpiles316]

So why not move to the private sector?

I really don't think the public sector is as badly paid as many make out, most people are earning £20-25k by the time they are 30 which may not be the earth, but i can think of many jobs which pay less.

See this is what gets me you genrilise about earnings, 50 people in my section 3 of us earn 30k the rest between 14-20k. 30k n the South East is rare not the normal.

 

[chrisd]

You ask me we should put more tax on bankers and top earners as much as we can realistically get away with.

Jesus.

 

[aproctor]

See this is what gets me you genrilise about earnings, 50 people in my section 3 of us earn 30k the rest between 14-20k. 30k n the South East is rare not the normal.

Most people who are 30~ are on this money at the council, civil service etc.
Obviously not cleaners etc but general admin work in councils pays £16k~ and then after a few years it goes to £20k~

Just because your section is less, does not mean you are the norm.