Soldato
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Someone who sits behind a desk in the bank would be like an admin staff member paid around 14k at my place, one of the lowest earners in the Council.
Public sector pay freeze
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errr we all had below inflation pay rises for the last 5 years, which effectively is a pay cut as out money is worth less each year, when did public sector workers ever get massive rises and bonuses like the bankers that caused this, yes the public sector has it fat cat madarins, but the MAJORITY get **** all
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No it isn't mega bucks, but store managers of WH smiths, Woolies (not now), Blockbusters etc are not on a considerable amount more and have more responsibility/pressure.
Because until you start getting to proper sized stores, being a 'store manager' in retail is neither high pressure (No, the regional manager balling down the phone about KPI's doesnt count) nor carries a lot of responsibility. Everything is dictated by head office - all the store manager really does is write rotas and set the alarm each night. Certainly thats my experience from 8 years in the awesome private sector world of retail, including some management stuff.
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His post seem to imply he wanted more money, but i don't know any who see their work as a vocation, although child services etc may be different.
[TW]Fox;16805697 said:
Fair point, but sorting out council tax accounts is not quite the same thing.
They do seem to always want a raise though, personally i think many enjoy the job and the status of doing a "meaningful" job.
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I appreciate your point, but i have not seen many public sector jobs at £20k which are high pressure or carry any direct responsibility.
Obviously this doesn't inlclude jobs such as social services and the like.
That is a given, no?
By your logic i (the customer) pay your wages and should be able to dictate your salary when i get a pay cut?
Do you like getting your bins emptied? because i imagine the amount of rubbish you make remains a constant.
Plus you seem to work your way up a set salary scale for turning up...
I agree that banks globally need to be taxed more but top earners and entrepreneurs who run businesses bring a lot to the economy, so we need them.
The narrow mindedness in this thread is amazing
I started on £17k looking after the most dangerous people in society!
What the thick as **** daily mail readers dont understand is that the cuts will come from the front line as management protect their own!
If we had less diversity managers getting paid £40k a year, savings would be made, but these are the jobs that simply wont be cut, as management in all public services will cut front line staff without thinking!
I mean FFS every prison in the country has a diversity manager, which costs the tax payer nearly £50k a year and for what! ive never once had a problem with 'race relations' or 'diversity' its these kind of posts that are an absolute joke but will no doubt be protected!
I agree, in theory the pay scale works, but as the public sector never seems to sack anyone you just end up paying more to people who cannot do the job.
I don't think they need to be taxed anymore than any other big business, just reign them in a bit and make sure they cannot offer credit to people who cry rape when they default.
The narrow mindedness in this thread is amazing
I started on £17k looking after the most dangerous people in society!
If you bothered to read my post.
In a indirect way you do, if you do not buy our product then the business makes no money and has to reduce its workforce / workforce renumeration.
I would, however where exactly do you think the money is going to come from to pay the increasing wage bill for the public sector? Especially when tax revenues are down.
This thread is depressing, there shouldn't be a division between public and private sector workers - workers are workers. When one of us is exploited we are all exploited, us private sector workers shouldn't be gloating at public sector workers just as public sector workers shouldn't have gloated at us when we were getting pay freezes in the recent past. All it does is allow the powers that be use divide-and-conquer tactics against us and create a race to the bottom on pay and conditions.
Are you joking me?
What about a police officer? Fireman? Ambulance driver? Soldier?
Of course you are not going to get high pressure office jobs for 20k but would you want a high pressure decision making job being offered to the sort of applicant who couldnt command any more than 20 grand a year?!
How many 'high pressure, direct responsibility' jobs are there in the private sector at less than £20k? And I don't mean things people think they are high pressure like wearing a 'store manager' badge for a branch of Clintons in Tavistock town centre.
but you like many others are taring all public sector workers with the same brush, why not attack senior civil servants as they are the real fat cats. 'public sector workers' is such a massive umbrella, without most of them society wouldnt function.
I hope we see strikes until senior management agree to make the cuts first before frontline services!
Irrelevent point really, so does the public sector whose wages are also taxed
The demand for the services they provide doesn't go down simply because the local luxury bathroom shop ran out of people to flog overpriced bathrooms to in times of recession and had let all the staff go. If anything in that sort of scenario the demand on the welfare services increases..
Private sector jobs suffered during the recession because the workload went down!
well said! brothers and sisters together as workers!!!!
In terms of council tax collection rates they are down by less than 0.5% which is a lot of money, but not as much as you try to make out.
Cutting pay of the public sector just because you got one will not help anyone, if anything it will probably deflate the economy more as they people whose wages you pay, pay yours.
Vicious circle.
I think every organisation should offer value for money whether public or private and should be punish all in the public sector by paying them less, for doing the same work, opposed to the private where a drop in earnings is usually because there is less work.
My own experiences of prison suggest that a diversity manager job is definitely a total joke - prisoners are often racist and don't give a monkeys about political correctness, officers often "strongly dislike" almost all the prisoners (without prejudice) and frankly have enough to worry about keeping prisoners from fighting, stopping themselves being stabbed, running a wing solo at nights (and all the babysitting that entails) and dealing with all kinds of rubbish from cons without the added hassle of some stupid race relations berk telling them to be nice to ethnic groups or they'll get into trouble!
The prison service is in dire need of funding and increased headcount in areas like front line officers, education, rehab etc. and to waste £50k a year on a politically motivated non-job is just criminal. (Pardon the pun).
Soldato
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To do that they would need a cap on earning in the private/public sector.
I could have earnt more, in the private sector, I was many moons ago a Microsoft Engineer, with an MCSE, I did not want to travel to London each day as I have a young family so took a job in IT close to home at 11k a year, its taking me 9 years and my 4th job change to get to over 25k.