Public sector pay freeze

I want to make it clear, i don't necessarily object to a pay freeze, I think that a combination of a 1 year pay freeze and some other measures would have been more fair across the working public. But what annoys me is how the media and then the general non public sector workers seem to put across this image of every public sector worker being some over payed lazy worker.
 
LOL.

I see you are young, this may excuse your poor grasp of reality I suppose.

Yeah it will :p
All GP's will have gone through 5 or 6 years of medschool, racking up a huge debt. Then two foundation years, with most of the time spent having their fingers up people's bums. Then in their first year as a salaried GP, they tend to earn around £50k
 
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Well a two year pay freeze. That isnt really that bad. Im NICS (Northern Ireland Civil Servant) and everyone knew it was coming. But it isnt that bad. I just think it really funny that everyone going mad about it when some lower paid nics staff are due some serious money soon.

I am one of them in the last year my pay has went up 4k and I am due a lump sum of over £8k. And there are lots of people due lump sums (Non taxable) the largest one ill be 14k. So I dont understand why they are still angry at this. A two year pay feeze is nothing.
 
Yeah it will :p
All GP's will have gone through 5 or 6 years of medschool, racking up a huge debt. Then two foundation years, with most of the time spent having their fingers up people's bums. Then in their first year as a salaried GP, they tend to earn around £50k

Yes but I think it is universally accepted, including among GPs, that GPs are very well rewarded nowadays. The contract Labour gave them was ridiculously over generous.

Nobody is saying GPs don't deserve to be well paid, but there are limits.
 
Yes but I think it is universally accepted, including among GPs, that GPs are very well rewarded nowadays. The contract Labour gave them was ridiculously over generous.

Nobody is saying GPs don't deserve to be well paid, but there are limits.

That I can kind of agree with, in that removing OOH care from their contract wasn't a brilliant thing... just means more stress on the ambulance service :(
 
to be honest I am happy with the budget (even what is really a 3 year pay freeze for me as we got nowt this year either) glad to have my job and enjoy what I do..it could have been a lot worse

if the union kick up about it (which they will, Unison are buffoons) if there is a vote for strike action I will leave the union as I simply dont agree with their aims in the current economic climate
 
But what annoys me is how the media and then the general non public sector workers seem to put across this image of every public sector worker being some over payed lazy worker.

Do you think it may be because every time we come in contact with a large chunk of public sector workers they give the image of over paid, lazy, officious jobsworths who go out of their way to make things as difficult as possible to do what you need to do? The nightmare that is the DWP or the local planning office or trying to get anything from your local council. The pain that is dealing with the SLC, DVLA or the like?

I know that not all public sector workers are lazy, I am friends with enough of them and think many do brilliant jobs. But when even they are complaining about the lazy, overpaid people they work with, the red tape, inefficiencies and generally arse about face way they are forced to work you think that just maybe there is scope for some reform that could save the country quite a bit and possibly free up some of those valuable front line people to do their job better...
 
Do you think it may be because every time we come in contact with a large chunk of public sector workers they give the image of over paid, lazy, officious jobsworths who go out of their way to make things as difficult as possible to do what you need to do? The nightmare that is the DWP or the local planning office or trying to get anything from your local council. The pain that is dealing with the SLC, DVLA or the like?

Whereas dealing with your car insurance company, or your telephone company is a breath of fresh air as you are served by motivated and professional workers who cannot do enough to help?
 
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Whereas dealing with your car insurance company, or your telephone company is a breath of fresh air as you are served by motivated and professional workers who cannot do enough to help?

Certainly in my experience - yes and when the answer is no I can almost always ask to speak to a manager and get my lack of satisfaction dealt with. For a lot of people this isn't the case when dealing with the public sector.

Also I have a choice to change car insurance company or telephone company - so they have an incentive to play nicely...
 
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Whereas dealing with your car insurance company, or your telephone company is a breath of fresh air as you are served by motivated and professional workers who cannot do enough to help?

Well yes, because when they aren't I can take my business elsewhere.
 
Certainly in my experience - yes and when the answer is no I can almost always ask to speak to a manager and get my lack of satisfaction dealt with. For a lot of people this isn't the case when dealing with the public sector.

Yea, whatever.

Not a week goes buy without a thread on here complaining about 'call centre muppets', most of which work for private sector companies. And why wouldnt it, given we hardly put the creme of our workforce on the end of a phone, do we?

Lazy and unhelpful people exist in all walks of life.
 
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Whereas dealing with your car insurance company, or your telephone company is a breath of fresh air as you are served by motivated and professional workers who cannot do enough to help?

I phone a broker, I know him by name and he listens to what I need and goes and finds the best insurance.

That it's also cheaper by far than anything the big firms or price comparison sites can manage is just a bonus.
 
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Yea, whatever.

Not a week goes buy without a thread on here complaining about 'call centre muppets', most of which work for private sector companies. And why wouldnt it, given we hardly put the creme of our workforce on the end of a phone, do we?

Lazy and unhelpful people exist in all walks of life.

However in the private sector you can do something about it. In the public sector, you can't. If I receive consistantly poor service I can change supplier.
 
Well yes, because when they aren't I can take my business elsewhere.

Except you wont, as like everyone else you'll pick the cheapest company for your insurance etc, and then whinge and moan about the morons in the call centre. Vodafone call centre people for example are particularly inept.

Except in this thread, where suddenly every single privately employed person is a shining beacon of intelligence and helpfulness in a bizarre utopia dreamt up to suit your arguement.
 
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Yea, whatever.

Not a week goes buy without a thread on here complaining about 'call centre muppets', most of which work for private sector companies. And why wouldnt it, given we hardly put the creme of our workforce on the end of a phone, do we?

Lazy and unhelpful people exist in all walks of life.

Yes but with the public sector you're stuck with them, with private firms you vote with your wallet.

All organisations have useless idiots in them, the larger they are the more you find, but in private firms if the have too many they lose business and if not sorted out they go bump.

In the public sector you can sustain really high percentages of morons forever.
 
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