Asus P5Q delux P45...

can you expand on that Nick? Is this a problem with the mobo? Does it affect the buy-ability of the mobo? Can't honestly say I've heard of this issue before tbh
 
Had this board and found it to be excellent for clocking with both a q6600 and q9550, the only time i ever experienced a double boot, was when power was removed from the system due to me working inside the case. This was entirely normal as its a test feature built into the board. Ill say one thing though, its still very expensive for an s775 board, i paid less for mine over a year ago.
 
subbytna said:
I'im thinking of getting it and getting a couple of 5770's or 5830's
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Hi subbytna,

It's a nice board but I don't think you should be considering spending £130 odd quid on some old tech . . . I can see your reasoning here but have you considered all the options? . . . off the top of my head here are all the possible routes you could take . . . .

  1. Make do with current LGA775 mobo and resist the urge! ;)
  2. Source a used PCI-E 2.0 Crossfire LGA775 mobo for approx £60 :p
  3. Pay through the nose £££ for two year old mobo :(
  4. Jump ship to AMD AM3 platform for less than £100 :eek:

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That would be a downgrade as the Phenom ll is slower than the Q9550 going by the reviews i read, especially when the Q9550 is overclocked. I was in the same boat when my MSI failed. Luckily it was under warrenty still and i now have a P5Q Pro Turbo on the way as a replacement.
 
Hi pastymuncher,

I see your reasoning here also . . . Technically Clock-For-Clock a Q9550 does better than a Phenom II . . . the only exception to this is the fact a Phenom II has a very nice IMC which means the system will be lower latency . . for those that like the "Snappy" feel! :p

Now where I think you have made an error in reasoning is to assume both processsors will be running clock for clock and your looking soley at the processor and not paying attention to the bags of new technology included with the AM3 mobo? . . . this is after all the very purpose of this thread no? . . . to help the O.P make the right choice and maybe realise his CrossFire dreams!! :D

So first things first . . . . currently subbytna is running his chip at 3.1GHz . . . what speed do you think the Phenom II would need to be to outperform that? . . . . 3.4GHz? . . . . 3.6GHz?

It's really not a problem clocking a Black-Edition chip (vCore/Cooling) so in this specific scenario I'm confident that he will end up with a *faster* system once he's worked his magic on the overclock . . . more processing power, lower latency, DDR3-1600 . . .

I honestly don't think that proposal #4 above can be classed as a "downgrade" :D . . . take this thread as one specific scenario and see of a more agreeable angle than one of the four suggestions I made above . . .

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Overclock the Deneb to 3.8GHz, CPU-NB to 2.6GHz, add in the second card for CrossFire . . . . and enjoy your "Downgrade"
 
A Q9550 should have no difficulty getting to at least 3.6Ghz either which would put it ahead again. As for DDR3 v DDR2, you have said yourself in similar threads that there is very little to gain from DDR3 and have gone on to recommend people to run a AM3 cpu in a AM2+ board to utilise the DDR2 they already have. Now is probably not the best time to be buying new ram due to the ridiculous prices.
 
If the op wanted to stay with s775 id suggest a secondhand p45 board, definitely the best for clocking a Q9550.
 
pastymuncher said:
A Q9550 should have no difficulty getting to at least 3.6Ghz either which would put it ahead again
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Talk to subbytna . . . he is at 3.1GHz? . . . you think the whole world knows how to overclock LGA775 like you do?

pastymuncher said:
As for DDR3 v DDR2, you have said yourself in similar threads that there is very little to gain from DDR3 and have gone on to recommend people to run a AM3 cpu in a AM2+ board to utilise the DDR2 they already have
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It's a moot point really, it adds performance and doesn't detract performance, in my books that's not a "downgrade" :D . . . It's just value added stuff that comes with using the new AM3 set-up, I'm not pushing the DDR3 but if he wants a really nice modern motherboard with all the bells n whistles then he needs DDR3 . . . for approx £83 quid (after sale of LGA775 kit) I'm suprised anyone objects to some "Newness"! . . . . think about it . . . . £84 quid expenditure and all his technical requirements are fufilled! ;)

pastymuncher said:
Now is probably not the best time to be buying new ram due to the ridiculous prices.
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pastymuncher , are you going to make some suggestions for the O.P please?

I have made four? . . . I'm not sure what your saying exactly? . . . I think you have some issue with suggestion #4 and jumping ship? . . . if he is considering paying £130 quid for the P5Q-E I'm convinced he will do better to move to AM3? . . . perhaps you can help source him a suitable used LGA775 PCI-E 2.0 Crossfire board? . . . and perhaps walk him through some of the aspects of overclocking his Q9550 a bit more?

That would be very friendly and very helpful of you! :cool:
 
Thanks for the comments folks. My problem is that I was not overly savvy with PC's when I bought and bought a pre built rig with a (I now know) **** mobo. it'll only let me clock it to 3.1 which is a problem. I know my chip can get to 3.6 on air easily enough with a good mobo so I want a mobo that will help me do that.

Ok it's old tech and pricey but I figured that a new mobo with my 9550 would last me another year before I think of another CPU upgrade. I think the 9550 has life left in it yet and I was told that this was the best mobo for LGA775. If I got another year from it then a £10 a month isn't too bad to deal with.

If someone can recommend me another mobo that would be cheaper but still have good dual GPU ability and allow a good OC of the 9550 than I'm all ears for suggestions :D

I know most people on here in the members market are decent but I just felt that a new mobo would be good as I'm a bit iffy about 2nd hand PC parts (got stung in the past before)
 
subbytna said:
I know my chip can get to 3.6 on air easily enough with a good mobo so I want a mobo that will help me do that.
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If your memory is DDR2-800 and it won't run stably at 424MHz then your 3.6GHz dreams are dashed . . . if you got DDR2-1066 then your good! . . . if you don't and you won't relent on your desire for CrossFire then Logically it really is "Game Over" for you on the LGA775 platform!

subbytna said:
Ok it's old tech and pricey but I figured that a new mobo with my 9550 would last me another year before I think of another CPU upgrade. I think the 9550 has life left in it yet
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This thread is about you wanting to play with CrossFire and overclock your processor to the levels you know its capable of, the Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9550 is not in question here, it's a nice CPU and performs well however if you insist on getting yourself some CrossFire action you got a conflict of interests! :(

Don't be tied to the old processor, it's a piece of hardware thats served you well . . . The problem happened in the past . . . . due to you buying your LGA775 system on a non-Crossfire and possibly not very overclocking friendly motherboard you have come unstuck in the present!

Somethings gotta give here subbytna . . . either Forgot about CrossFire for the moment and be content running the Yorkfield @ 3.1GHz with a single GPU, or reconsider your decision about buying a used board (mine was used, worked great) or forget about throwing £130 away on a new P5Q-Deluxe! :eek:

subbytna said:
I was told that this was the best mobo for LGA775. If I got another year from it then a £10 a month isn't too bad to deal with.
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I've used both a P5Q-Deluxe and a P5Q-E for 18 months, I know the board well and it was a big hit in 2008! . . . It's now June 2010 and things have moved on . . . there really is no logical reason for spending £130, your trying hard to justify it by changing it down to £10.00/Month heh! :p

If you are going to remove the old motherboard from the case, take out the old CPU from the motherboard, take out your memory from the motherboard and re-install your O/S . . . then now is the time to sell the old LGA775 kit and release the funds to put towards your new kit . . . It really is amazingly simple but you just don' t see it! :o

I'm gonna try a different approach here as I believe you may have a Cognitive "block" towards AMD® products . . . . so please look at the image below and explain to me again why you think spending £130 (or £10/Month) on your LGA775 system is a good idea? :confused:

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I'm also going for the 2nd hand p45 mobo option. If the op will reconsider acquiring 2nd hand hardware or even b-grade/clearance from ocuk.

Yes the am3 option is only 100 quid and you get the "newness" feel but the novelty soon wears out and you'll realise there is very little differece to the q9550 setup. From the anandtech charts even the core i5 750 isn't massively better than the 9550 if I'm being perfectly honest.

Yes you do get new features to play with. But out of the ones you listed Big Wayne, sata3 and USB3 are still not mainstream, the Integrated mem controller and DDR3 is a nice speed boost but only in mem intensive apps and I doubt it's very noticeable outside of benchmarks.

If all op wants is crossfire then there is no need for a complete system overhaul, especially when intel refresh is just a year away, and in the meanwhile q9550 is more than capable. Afterall it's about getting the best out of the hardware you have is it not? I haven't seen any ddr2 800 kit that won't even do 850mhz, even the tattiest of oem modules so I thnk it's a risk worth taking. So 3.6ghz should be easy with a half decent mobo, provided there's no other limitation of course, psu, cooling...etc.

130 on a brand new lga775 mobo is definately not worth it though.
 
steve258 said:
Yes the am3 option is only [£84] quid and you get the "newness" feel but the novelty soon wears out and you'll realise there is very little differece to the q9550 setup
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I would say the novelty of going from LGA775 Quad to LGA775 Quad+Crossfire would wear off a lot quicker than going from LGA775 Quad to AM3 Quad + Crossfire . . . it saves him money and he gains additional technology at the same time?

Less money, more technology? . . . or more money less technology . . . . it's a no brainer really! :eek:

steve258 said:
From the anandtech charts even the core i5 750 isn't massively better than the 9550 if I'm being perfectly honest.
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I would say that considering one is paying approx £30 extra over buying a "deluxe" LGA775 board the processing boost is very welcome and very value added :) . . . and the i5 750 has a great deal more processing power in reserve for when its needed . . . imagine it clocked up to 3.6GHz-4GHz! . . talk about system longevity thrown in with the Crossfire upgrade! ;)

steve258 said:
Yes you do get new features to play with. But out of the ones you listed Big Wayne, sata3 and USB3 are still not mainstream, the Integrated mem controller and DDR3 is a nice speed boost but only in mem intensive apps and I doubt it's very noticeable outside of benchmarks
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Again these extra Bells n whistles are simply gravy . . . the Crossfire Technology is the main impetus here . . . it's all about the Crossfire . . . having USB 3.0 and and SATA III just add to the system longevity and do not detract in anyway . . . having an IMC and fast DDR3 just add to the systems performance and do not detract in anyway . . . for the AM3 option these features are effectively thrown in free!

steve258 said:
If all op wants is crossfire then there is no need for a complete system overhaul, especially when intel refresh is just a year away, and in the meanwhile q9550 is more than capable
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The only real difference here in "reality" is that he needs to sell some kit if he goes AM3/LGA1156 . . . apart from that there is no difference except he's better off technologically with either "newness" option . . .

He is going to remove a motherboard/CPU/Memory from his system and install another motherboard, this much is sure unless he resists the CrossFire/Overclocking urge . . . calling it a "complete system overhaul" is an attempt to make the process sound prohibitive and discourage subbytna :(

steve258 said:
Afterall it's about getting the best out of the hardware you have is it not?
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Yes . . . if he buys the AM3 CrossFire hardware or the LGA1156 CrossFire hardware he will "have it" and he will be getting "the best out of it" . . . the old hardware will get sold for the "best" price and go to new homes . . . I do not subcribe to this hardware "bonding" ideology . . . hardware ownership comes with no bonds or obligation to keep owning it beyond its usefulness . . . this thread only exists because the O.P didn't consider his needs for the future correctly at the time of original purchase . . . I don't intend to let him make the same mistake twice! . . .

If he went AM3 then he will end up with more cash in his pocket than he would if he goes P5Q-Deluxe . . . not only that he will be stuffed to the gills with all the technology he could want now or the next few years . . . . I'm also faily confident it will be a faster system once overclocked . . . . spending more money for less technology really makes no sense at all?

If he went i5 750 then he will be approx £30 more out of pocket than he would if he went P5Q-Deluxe . . . the extra £30 gets him a superior processor, superior memory, IMC, USB 3.0, Sata IIII . . . . one would have to be seriously platform locked to turn their nose up at all this? . . . or just not wanting to venture from ones "Comfort Zone" and stray into the "Unknown" :p

steve258 said:
130 on a brand new lga775 mobo is definately not worth it though.
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Steve your a very polite forum member and I'm happy to help you out anytime I can . . . . however in the context of this thread you have played the role of a Naysayer ;) . . . I'm a Non-Naysayer! :p

You have attempted to "marginalise" my suggestions by playing down *any* of the advantages the new platforms offer and you have made none of your own? . . . subbytna needs input here otherwise he is going to make a mistake to enforce a mistake he already made in the past, I am trying to guide him in the right direction and if you can make a better suggestion that will lead to him being a Happy Bunny then please be my guest! :cool:
 
Only reason I quoted 100 is because I think you're abit optimistic about the q9550 resale value; last I heard they have been going for 120-130 in mm for a while now. My bad for forgetting to mention it.

To me it's simple, get a second hand 775 crossfire mobo for around 60 (p5q pro/turbo/e, ep45 ud3p or something similar) and sell his current one for 40 if possible then you have crossfire and better overclock for 20 quid, which is what op asks for. Or spend 80-100 on am3 for similar performance level plus new features that the op may or may not need. Of course if op is willing to go for second hand parts that is.

And this is my suggestion to the op. I'm not against moving to new And better hardware/platform at all, I just think with the intel refresh so close he should at least wait until then to decide which platform to move onto, especially when he already has a capable chip.

I appreciate your willingness to help Big Wayne. You always make top quality posts and the length you're willing to go to help is simply incredible. But I just felt the need to offer op my evaluation. Whichever way op chooses to go for is upto him :) he won't be dissapointed either way.

Best of luck op :)
 
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Thanks for your replies Big Wayne. Much appreciated. Sadly, again this is to do with the pre built rig back in Sept 2008 I got, the DDR2 is only 800 so yes I'm a bit snookered in that respect for a good OC.

The case I have isn't ideal either...my god if only I'd read on here for a few months before buying from that other site :rolleyes:

I was looking at the Corsair pack with Obsidian 800 case, H50 cooler and PSU as a buy as well but what I guess I'm actually doing is just specing a new PC but using old tech.

The i5 is a great chip and that bundle is great that you noted, the i5 is a great OC-er too.

Ok I'd be willing to consider a second hand mobo if it came from someone who was known and trusted on here. I guess I'll have a lookout.

Realistically the reason I'm not keen on buying an i5/i7 rig just now is that it'll be obsolete in a while and if I'm paying a good few hundred £££'s then I'd rather wait until the new stuff is out later this year.

I'm really torn now :(

the Corasir bundle...this one... http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-002-CS would future proof me for any further upgrades and the case is immense too. This is what I was looking at with the 9550 and a new mobo but I'd need new RAM too :o

All in all I need a new rig from scratch but I don't have the money for a new rig all in 1 go. I was trying to build from the outside in first with teh case etc then mobo then GPU upgrades.

Would you( any posters who are helping me here :) ) suggest I go with a mobo/RAM upgrade first (even if it is 2nd hand) or go with the case pack upgrade first and see how money looks for a CPU/RAM upgrade later on in a couple of months?
 
Wayne, even i would'nt recommend a i3/i5/i7 rig to anyone. As i am sure you are aware, 1156 is dead in Q1 next year followed by 1366 in Q3. That makes about as much sense as building a 775 rig from scratch. I have even been suggesting to people to go for a AM3 rig over Intels current sockets when building from scratch. :p

The P5Q Deluxe is overpriced at this late stage of the game and i would'nt recommend one myself. The few decent boards that are left have all had the prices jacked up. I would say about the best board under £100 now is the P5Q Pro Turbo at £95. It's whet i have on the way to replace my failed MSI and i read quite a few reviews to decide which board to get out of the choice i was offered. It still does crossfire and the pair of 8x pci-e 2.0 slots that P45 boards use will not hold back any single cards, certainly not the 5770/5830 that subbytna mentions in his first post.

Second hand should be considered as well. I have bought quite a few second hand boards off the bay and all have worked perfectly. There are also the rare new bargain to be picked up on there as well. For example, early last year i got a brand new Gigabyte P35 DS3R on there for £28 delivered. It is still working flawlessly in my sons rig with a E4300 clocked to 3.4Ghz. This year i got a brand new Gigabyte EP43-UD3L for £35 delivered and is working in my second rig with a E8500 clocked to 3.8Ghz. The members market is also a good source of components.

I would get a board, as cheap as possible (be it second hand or new) while still allowing a decent overclock to tide you over into next year when both camps release their new hardware. Your current ram should allow you to get to 3.4Ghz before running over it's rated speed and may go further if you relax the timings and increase the voltage a tad. I would'nt be buying any new DDR2 kit's at the current ridiculous prices.
 
I use that mobo in a small home server box & it has loads of oc features etc & off course you could x-fire it if needed...
But i run it with a basic core 2 duo 2.6ghz not overclocked/ 4gb of ocz platinum ram & 3 hd's rammed into the tiny akasa case + another 3 ext hd's hooked up via e-sata & usb2, powered by an OCZ F4t4l1ty 550w psu...

the thing runs 24/7 & has never missed a beat so I would highly recommend this as a cheap asus reliable board np's ;)
 
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