Soldato
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There is already a system like that.
Where are all these jobs gonna come from?
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There is already a system like that.
I can't believe that there are so many small minded people who come out with the same trite phrases about immigrants, idle Brits or Labour policies: yes, there will be a % of people who do not want to work but my initial point remains unanswered ......
Manufacturing is pretty much all done out East now as the labour costs are peanuts compared to UK, so we tend to be doing the paper shuffling stuff that requires a little more brain than brawn; this leaves huge council estates full of unskilled/uneducated people who, even if they wanted to go out to work, cannot find a job as there just aint that many sweepers/binmen/order pickers (choose a menial job) vacancies around.
I think that there are many of us that have done 'any job available' at some point but the days of "there's work out there if you are willing" are no more and it doesn't matter who got us into this poo, we need to find a way out.
There will always be a few menial jobs around but if they are serious about 'encouraging people back to work' and off benefits, someone needs to come up with ideas about where the jobs will come from.
Manufacturing is pretty much all done out East now as the labour costs are peanuts compared to UK, so we tend to be doing the paper shuffling stuff that requires a little more brain than brawn; this leaves huge council estates full of unskilled/uneducated people who, even if they wanted to go out to work, cannot find a job as there just aint that many sweepers/binmen/order pickers (choose a menial job) vacancies around.
I think that there are many of us that have done 'any job available' at some point but the days of "there's work out there if you are willing" are no more and it doesn't matter who got us into this poo, we need to find a way out.
There will always be a few menial jobs around but if they are serious about 'encouraging people back to work' and off benefits, someone needs to come up with ideas about where the jobs will come from.
Its swings and roundabouts, the sterner approach the government are taking towards benefits will work on 2 fronts, firstly forcing many brits who refuse to work in favor of an easy ride back to work because the ride is not so easy and also immigrants who come here for the the benefits to raise families or just claim other benefits wont find it so comfortable and a portion will likely leave, this is the same for immigrants who came for work as-well, harder to find work and the turmoil the country is in is not so attractive, many started to migrate back to there home country's when the recession started to take hold.
this will create some jobs, nothing on the scale of what we need but this along with the initiative the government is showing in the private sector should leave us with a smaller job deficit than we currently have, either way whatever they do to combat this its a 2 to 5 year plan at the very least, all long term, the issue was created over years so will only be solved that way
this will create some jobs, nothing on the scale of what we need but this along with the initiative the government is showing in the private sector should leave us with a smaller job deficit than we currently have, either way whatever they do to combat this its a 2 to 5 year plan at the very least, all long term, the issue was created over years so will only be solved that way
There are unskilled jobs, but they are either hard, uncomfortable and / or seasonal.
What they are not is underpaid, the national minimum wage applies to fruit picking with immigrants just as much as stacking shelves in Tesco.
If the alternative was to starve, british people could and would do those jobs.
What they are not is underpaid, the national minimum wage applies to fruit picking with immigrants just as much as stacking shelves in Tesco.
If the alternative was to starve, british people could and would do those jobs.
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Poles do 'take our jobs' but they also pay a lot of taxes seeing as they chain smoke and are heavy drinkers.
When Serbia and others get themselves into the EU, our only chance will be to ship out a couple of million incapacity benefit claimants to China to seek work.
When Serbia and others get themselves into the EU, our only chance will be to ship out a couple of million incapacity benefit claimants to China to seek work.
As organ donors?
Same old same old.
Its quite simple if you claim housing benefit and all the others available im quite sure ( guessing?) this will add up-to more than £200 a week after tax for a 60h/72h week at work picking or lifting or whatever.
Its the system that has made the people. If i say im gonna give you 100 quid for watching neighbours or 100 quid to deliver 100000 leaflets which will you take seriously?? anyone that says leaflets, i simply do not believe you.
Its quite simple if you claim housing benefit and all the others available im quite sure ( guessing?) this will add up-to more than £200 a week after tax for a 60h/72h week at work picking or lifting or whatever.
Its the system that has made the people. If i say im gonna give you 100 quid for watching neighbours or 100 quid to deliver 100000 leaflets which will you take seriously?? anyone that says leaflets, i simply do not believe you.
Lazy people annoy me.
It really isn't that hard to find a job somewhere is it. Any job is better than no job; just about everybody I know has told me that.
Speak for yourself! No luck here (Bromsgrove, town outside worcester and birmingham) anywhere, not even had an interview with one of the (Many..) supermarkets down here! Hell, even the local pizza place isnt hiring delivery guys due to them having too many as it is.
Being at uni makes my hours less flexible obviously (Only 2 days a week though currently) but i cant believe there appears to be nothing out there.
I know someone that refused 15k job cos he gets paid his rented accommodation (shared though) and then gets JSA on top. So it total he gets like £600-700 p/m. It's less than the work itself but he can stay home and sleep all day and play computer games or whatever.
However I see no other option than to help people what are out of work, you earn a lot in England but also at the same time living is so expensive, food, bills, rent etc, you spend most of your earned money on basic living which is a lot, and any saving you have 1-2k will be gone in just 2-3 months without having a job. Only people that can go back to live with their parents can survive without the generous benefits.
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Indeed there is, sort of.... roughly outlined, the job centre is offering financial incentives (bribes) to employers to take on JSA 'customers' (I hate that term) for a period of six months employment. Iirc there's about 2k per candidate (half up front and half at the end of six months) and something in the region of 1500 quid to offset any training an employer has to put you through.
Gives you some idea of how desperate the last government were to reduce unemployment figures, by hook or by crook.
It would be discriminatory to place the unemployed above in a position where they have the advantage to get into work from the beginning
. Never mind that a large proportion of the minimum wage jobs at my local jobcentre do not have enough hours to be cost effective to actually earn a living doing them.I'm 34, have a background in a decent field (CAD), but I have struggled to find anything nearby that would actually pay to do.
I've been 'officially' out of work for six months or there abouts (longer when I was living off money I had saved whilst working, so about a year in all). Staff at my local jobcentre are useless, not forgetting that many of the initiatives for offering people training have had all funding cut, so if you have limited skills, or wish to explore some other avenue of employment than that which you are qualified in, forget it.
Currently I'm waiting for a forklift course through the JC and I'm looking at the long-term possibilities in web design (it can't be any more difficult than AutoLISP code).
In the mean time, I just have to hope that I either find a decent job that is more than a temping position, or I don't get shafted by the dole cuts.
There's a striking difference between the jobs that were available when I first started doing CAD work about 10 years back, and the current lack of anything resembling stable long term employment.
If sectors like the construction industry cannot find jobs for people like me with a skill-set, relevant experience and reasonable qualifications, what hope is there for the average thicko? Even the warehousing labour market has shrunk, with shifts being cut and production quotas reduced - I use walkers crisps (aka pepsico) as an example of this, having worked there myself for a time and know some people who are still working there. If you're a temp, then it's last in, first out, don't bother coming in tomorrow, we just don't have the work.... what good is that when you only get paid by the hours you actually work?
It's a cause for a great deal of concern, at home and in the corridors of power, and nobody seems to have an inkling as to what to do about it.
EDIT: Efour2 - I've looked at delivering leaflets... adverts through my local jobcentre, on closer inspection, these turned out to be commission based earners relying on the use of delivered pre-paid telephone cards to actually make calls to eastern europe and the middle east.
As scams go, getting your product delivered for free by someone who will clearly not get any guarantee of earnings from the delivery of said telephone cards, relying solely on a commission derived from those few percent of cards used to make a phone call... is a pretty shrewd fiddle. Especially if you're advertising in a legitimate organisation like the jobcentre. Jobs like that are just not worth it and ought not to be advertised in places like the jobcentre, where the staff there clearly have no idea what any of the job descriptions actually entail - they have no input in the job descriptions, that's the discretion of the employer.
It's a shambles from top to bottom, so who can say where all the jobs will come from to accommodate all of the unemployed who were in work before the recession? The financial industry may well be seeing a recovery, but it will take a long time for that to filter its way down through the economy until it has any meaning for the average joe on the street.
I'm not seeing it yet, and with more government cuts ahead, the situation is not going to get any better.
Yep I remember watching that. They were really bone idle (the younger few on there). The Polish guy picking the food was earning some serious wedge on there as he just got on with it.
Train all the unemployed up as tradesmen, then get them to build a few colosseum's around the country, then the ones who cannot or chose not to find a job in their trained skill enter gladiator school, and then either die in the colosseum, or make a name for themselves as a career gladiator. Simples.
Ok, so the government is trying to get people off benefits and into work: great in theory but where are all these jobs to come from for all these thousands of unqualified/uneducated citizens?
It's all very well saying "we need to get people off benefits and into work" but the jobs aren't there anymore ........ we don't manufacture very much that is labour intensive and there are only so many road sweeping/shelf filling/labouring jobs, so where are all these people going to find employment?
This is a serious question .... very little building going on, very little work in agriculture, no where near enough 'menial' jobs out there for the masses so where are these jobs coming from that we expect benefit claimants to take up?
Come on solve the problem ....
They simply want to say after X months you don't get benefits. The fact that there is no work to do in large parts of the UK is neither here nor there for the government.
In short there isn't going to be any jobs growth in the private sector. Conservative dogma is to actively encourage unemployment to create a massive army of reserve labour i.e. cheap labour. This is how the rich get richer and is what the government wants. So basically you either find a way to exploit that labour or resign yourself to being poor for the rest of your life
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Yep, there are quite a few...
Pretty standard emails I get almost daily from Monster.
Now the fact I have no experience in programming (or a computer qualification) may be a little of a hinderence to me... Alongside that there is no way I'm moving across country to start cold calling people in a sales "executive" role...
No problem with moving across the country (or even out of the country) but there are limits. Also why so many sales and recruitment jobs? I'm guessing because they are mainly comission based so only the good ones actually make any money...
Indeed there is, sort of.... roughly outlined, the job centre is offering financial incentives (bribes) to employers to take on JSA 'customers' (I hate that term) for a period of six months employment. Iirc there's about 2k per candidate (half up front and half at the end of six months) and something in the region of 1500 quid to offset any training an employer has to put you through.
Gives you some idea of how desperate the last government were to reduce unemployment figures, by hook or by crook.
It would be discriminatory to place the unemployed above in a position where they have the advantage to get into work from the beginning
thats not quite having a job only the unemployed can be guarenteed to get. its a scheme whereby the jobsearcher has to send off spec letters and tell the employer if they take them on you can get a portion of their wages paid or that they can take you on as a 2 week unpaid trial. the jobcentre do not find employers willing to do this, it is upto you and most companies dont want you either way, unless you get really lucky.
sod discrimination, sometimes positive discrimination is needed! if it allows an unemplyed person to get a job and off benefits its a good thing no? then those employed people can stop whinging about people claiming benefits when they chop and change jobs for daft reasons, but are more likely to get a new job because they are still in one. infact i remember a time where the jobcentre refused to allow people not claiming jsa to use their services. seems that didnt last long.
Imo the best possible solution is to build massive infrastructure projects, creates jobs and will definitely pay itself back after some time. A new motorway network or so. 2 Problems solved with 1 solution.
They could also make working in education more attractive, which will also pay itself back in the future.
They could also make working in education more attractive, which will also pay itself back in the future.