Where are all these jobs gonna come from?

Allnamestaken said:
Should train everyone to lay Fibre cables.

Then get them to roll out fibre to the whole country lol even rural areas as bt do the exchanges:rolleyes:
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Or maybe to dig new reservoirs to replace the ones sold off after privatisation which might be useful if we have a dry spell, like we're having now.
 
Amp34 said:
True, the extra year is nothing. The £15-20k you need if you don't get a scholarship is slightly harder to come by...

I got a 2:1 from a reasonable uni (2nd best poly in the country) in a reasonable subject (a proper science) but still found it difficult to get a job, however I have managed to get onto one of the best masters courses in my area. The only reason I can afford to go is because I'm lucky enough to have parents that can loan me the money I need...

If I graduate and still have difficulty getting a reasonable job then that is a massive waste of money and time.

5-6 years and £50k invested in education to stack shelves is really something I don't want to be doing...

We need to decrease the number of uni places in this country and start pushing people back into apprenticeships etc. There are certain courses that you need to do a degree in, a huge amount of others you really dont and you should be much better off just doing an apprenticeship or working your way up. Schools need to stop lying to students about uni and their prospects and uni needs to become a place to study again, not just somewhere to **** around for 3-4 years and get a degree as a by product!
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Amen, to everything you say. I really wish I'd done an apprenticeship to be fairly honest. Now that I'm 23, there are no companies that do them(?). I was interested in doing an apprenticeship for british gas, but you have to pay for it yourself.
 
rz30 said:
It's a good question, they can't just create jobs out of thin air. I think a lot of it is just talk from the politicians, they probably know that there will always be a section of society unemployed, maybe they can reduce it by a few percent but this is typical tories, they may end up creating a bigger gap between the poor and rich again, i.e reducing benefits, to be fair though it must be a nightmare task trying to manage the needs of 60 million people.
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Yeah, because under Labour the gap narrow.......Oh wait. :(
 
people need to realise there are plenty of jobs out there, the problem is too many people set there sights too high, when in reality there skills and qualifications are somewhat limited...
 
phil_c_ said:
people need to realise there are plenty of jobs out there, the problem is too many people set there sights too high, when in reality there skills and qualifications are somewhat limited...
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Don't know about that, I think the problem is an abundance of skilled and experienced workers means that graduates and and other inexperienced people are going to struggle. Also evryone from private and public sector are downgrading to try to ensure relative security.
 
snowdog said:
Imo the best possible solution is to build massive infrastructure projects, creates jobs and will definitely pay itself back after some time. A new motorway network or so. 2 Problems solved with 1 solution.
They could also make working in education more attractive, which will also pay itself back in the future.
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You want more public sector spending splurges to cure the problems caused by the last decade of public sector spending splurges? :confused:
 
They could also make working in education more attractive, which will also pay itself back in the future.
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There definately isn't a shortage of teachers / people wanting to be teachers, like 1/4 of my lecture group wanna be teachers for some deranged reason.
 
Biohazard said:
lol.

Stop taxing the private sector?

Hahahahahahahahaha.
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What a smart comment, you know perfectly well I don't mean remove all tax. I am on about the many caveats which make it expensive for the private sector to employ anyone.

Take pensions, they're now taxed, and it's the company which has to pay it, this has pushed many companies over the edge eliminating jobs, other companies can't afford to hire as many people. All this pays for public sector "golden pensions"

Remove the stealth taxes and get more people employed in the private sector and we all win. The extra revenue from income tax pays for the missing stealth taxes, remember that income tax on public sector jobs is NOT revenue, it's a loop.


Amp34 said:
Yep, there are quite a few...

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/888/capture2hp.png

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9213/capturehsp.png

Pretty standard emails I get almost daily from Monster.

Now the fact I have no experience in programming (or a computer qualification) may be a little of a hinderence to me...
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The successful applicant to a job advert rarely meets even half the "requirements". Don't be put off by a list of stuff you can't do.
 
Amp34 said:
True, the extra year is nothing. The £15-20k you need if you don't get a scholarship is slightly harder to come by...

I got a 2:1 from a reasonable uni (2nd best poly in the country) in a reasonable subject (a proper science) but still found it difficult to get a job, however I have managed to get onto one of the best masters courses in my area. The only reason I can afford to go is because I'm lucky enough to have parents that can loan me the money I need...

If I graduate and still have difficulty getting a reasonable job then that is a massive waste of money and time.

5-6 years and £50k invested in education to stack shelves is really something I don't want to be doing...

We need to decrease the number of uni places in this country and start pushing people back into apprenticeships etc. There are certain courses that you need to do a degree in, a huge amount of others you really dont and you should be much better off just doing an apprenticeship or working your way up. Schools need to stop lying to students about uni and their prospects and uni needs to become a place to study again, not just somewhere to **** around for 3-4 years and get a degree as a by product!
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I agree completely and absolutely. As I mentioned in one of my posts in the other thread that within the context of technical subjects such as science , engineering etc there should be technical schools/colleges who teach you only those courses which are in demand in the industry. These colleges must have strong links with companies so that upon completion of these courses you are placed in industry straight away even if it is on slightly low pay ; better than being rejected immediately on the grounds of not having experience.
Obviously for that to happen you are gonna need extensive collaboration between academic institutions, companies and government which I must sadly say is highly unlikely.
Universities should mainly be for those students who want to lead an academic career or for those having research interests. Unis should also be only available for those jobs which require degree related skills.
 
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I'm doing a masters in maths at bristol in september. 4 years and after that, who bloody knows what I'll be doing? I have no idea.
 
SlugForAButt said:
You want more public sector spending splurges to cure the problems caused by the last decade of public sector spending splurges? :confused:
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These things ALWAYS pay themselves back. These aren't spending splurges, these are good investments...
New infrastructure and progress in education is essential for economic growth & staying competitive with the rest of the world.

To save/free money/pay for the above:

Increased own risk in healthcare.
Pension age to 67 immediately, gradually increase to 68/69...
Foreign help ( don't know the situation of the UK but the NL sends billions abroad)
Government- as small as possible.
Bureaucracy - as little as possible, this has really grown out of proportion.
Immigration stop for immigrants with poor chances/no education.
Immigrants no benefits for the first 10 years.
Stop immediately with any ''green'' subsidies. Or any other unnecessary subsidies for that matter. Like ''art&culture''.


In short:
Cut money from:
Helathcare, immigration, environmentalism, government.
Invest in:
Infrastructure, Education.

Not only is this going to create jobs, it will actually stimulate the economy and make a healthier business environment.
Rather than more government ''street wipers''/''administration'' jobs which contribute nothing to society and don't help the economy grow.
 
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phil_c_ said:
people need to realise there are plenty of jobs out there, the problem is too many people set there sights too high, when in reality there skills and qualifications are somewhat limited...
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SO, YOU FAILED TO REEAD WHAT I POSTED YET STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF JOBS OUT THERE:

Dunno which world you live in but it ain't the same one as most of us ****!
 
singist said:
SO, YOU FAILED TO REEAD WHAT I POSTED YET STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF JOBS OUT THERE:
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As I said, put people on making new roads, laying carbon fiber, etc. These things pay back for themselves. I'd rather see people plucked off the street building roads than collecting garbage.


Government jobs should provide for something useful, rather than something pointless ( more administration & bureaucracy).
SlugForAButt said:
sr4470 said:
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I've read your post a couple of times and I don't understand what your point is. :confused:
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He is just ranting against the system, he has had a tough start and not supporting parents and tries to blame it on the successful in life. He also claims(or claimed, it's been ages since I spoke to him) he can't find a job in London.
 
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@singist If you're going to make a factual argument why not post some actual facts instead of just opinion/rants...

I was under the assumption there were plenty of jobs out there, are you going to post anything to back up this thread that you've started - i.e. numbers of unemployed claiming job seekers allowance and numbers of job vacancies etc...
 
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