G20 Fake Rioters

dowie said:
they don't - the OP is stupid

they will have plain clothed officers within crowds and will likely have some officers undercover within various protest groups (who probably will take part in riots) but the idea that they are there to deliberately get them started is pretty ludicrous.
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No, he (she?) started the OP with

'Time for the tin foil hat,'

Meaning the OP thought the whole thing is a silly conspiracy, meaning that you didn't understand that, meaning that you, ironically, are stupid!!

:)
 
I think it is quite plausible that they have undercover police in the crowds. :rolleyes:
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It's common knowledge that the police and the government use agent provocatuers to demise groups of people.

Look at the protests in London last year when all the worlds press basically had a press conference in front of the 'anarchist' smashing bank windows whilst the police watched.

But yeah, its par for the course on OCUK that anytime anybody accuses the government of doing anything other than trying to make our lives better (ROFL) it then becomes 'tin foil hat time' which is a way for the arrogant middle class people on here to ignore information that they do not want to even comprehend.
 
britboy4321 said:
No, he (she?) started the OP with

'Time for the tin foil hat,'

Meaning the OP thought the whole thing is a silly conspiracy, meaning that you didn't understand that, meaning that you, ironically, are stupid!!

:)
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He closes his OP with:

Pretty messed up. Makes me wonder how often things like this go on, and how often they are un-noticed.
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Are you sure he thinks it's a silly conspiracy?
 
LordSplodge said:
Does not compute. I've been at quite a few Reclaim The Streets type events in my youth and most of the women looked like your typical unwashed hippy type. :D
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College / Uni age hippy girls still wash :D, you just have to meet them before they leave education and 'go native'.
 
Because its completely unreasonable to assume that people going to the riots expecting to cause trouble would wear decent footwear, am I right?

I've got a pair of UK standard army boots that I bought in some military surplus store lying about the house somewhere. Guess that means that I'm an honourary member of the SAS, yes?

Edit: Who am I kidding, I threw them out, they fell apart.
 
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Why do people seem to think its impossible for governments or individuals in positions of authority to be up to no good for whatever reason, like corruption or some agenda?
 
Energize said:
It was not that long ago that the same thing happened with the UK police force, shows you how corrupt they are.
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An MP who was involved in last month's G20 protests in London is to call for an investigation into whether the police used agents provocateurs to incite the crowds.
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So he called for an investigation into whether the police used agent provocateurs.

Liberal Democrat Tom Brake says he saw what he believed to be two plain-clothes police officers go through a police cordon after presenting their ID cards.
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Saw what he believed were two plain clothes cops.

says he was informed by people in the crowd that the men had been seen to throw bottles at the police and had encouraged others to do the same shortly before they passed through the cordon.
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Informed by members of the crowd. Surely that makes it true without reservation then ?

You will forgive me for being a little unconvinced at a sweeping statement that the police are corrupt based on an article in a quite anti-police publication and the suggestions of a Lib Dem MP based largely on conversations with crowd members I hope.
 
Miners strike:
"Intelligence services were allegedly involved in a variety of ways: surveillance, telephone tapping, deployment of agent provocateurs and maintenance of at least one agent in the upper reaches of the miners' union. Some of these activities have also been carried out on a more routine and longer-term basis."

Rethinking industrial relations: mobilization, collectivism, and long waves
By John E. Kelly

Also reduction of welfare benefits by government to put the squeeze on the miners and their families and biased media reporting.

So one could extrapolate that police may well still be acting as agent provocateurs.

Energize said:
Based on past actions of the UK police force I would wager that on balance it is more likely than not. Forgive me for being cynical.
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The miner's strike was 26 years ago and policing has changed beyond measure since then although far from perfect it has to be said. I also note the words allegedly and intelligence services.

That does suggest that such action is not proven and also police are not part of the intelligence services.

Anyway, in a word, why ?

The Met has taken one hell of a bettering in recent years when it comes to public order policing and any senior commander will tell you that the ideal job is one that passes without incident and with relatively cordial relations between police and protestor.

What would the Met or indeed any other police force have to gain by planting agent provocateurs in crowds to set them away ?

I had a brief conversation with a police inspector who is also a tac advisor on public order matters and he did say that he had never had any experience of agent provocateurs in crowds and aso said what would be there to gain and more the case or everything to lose.

While I can't say for certain it is impossible and has never happened, I do find it difficult to believe and would indeed condemn any such action.
 
Energize said:
It was not that long ago that the same thing happened with the UK police force, shows you how corrupt they are.
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Energize said:
Based on past actions of the UK police force I would wager that on balance it is more likely than not. Forgive me for being cynical.
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I realise I'm being petty here, but what is this "UK police force" of which you speak? There's no such thing, we have individual police services and only a few that operate national on fairly specific remits. Or are you actually saying that every single police service operating within the UK is corrupt and evil?
 
So what do you think the proportion of fake rioters to real riotious thugs with chips on their shoulders was?

Surely if the group wasn't already pre-disposed to violent disorder, this would not be a concern?
 
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