SETI@home News Vol. 109 (01/07/2010)

Well, if they're going to limit work so much that those of us with even vaguely decent hardware struggle to get work, then it's going to be time for me to rethink. At least when the next outage happens. I don't run DC to have CPUs sitting idle!

Of course, if it's only temporary then I'll stay (and even donate). Bribery? I think so!
 
I should have mentioned that I meant the only the high performance teams (and even then the top 20 for rac in each team).
If they can afford high powered gpu's they can afford £6.60 for years of .....er fun :p

Heh, fair enough. I'd still be a bit careful though - I wouldn't want to risk our team being alienated* over such a matter.

Yes, I was building up to that joke. I'll get me coat.
 
Well,

Just checked both rigs - all units uploaded - both were about to run dry.

Both keep saying that they have reached a limit on tasks in progress.

The limit for both machines is 60 (which includes the units currently in progress).

Can anyone else confirm this magic number of 60? (or is it just coincidence on mine)

I understand that there must be a reason for this (on seiti's behalf) - but I feel that it is (and will continue to) have a negative impact on the crunching community.

If it continues on the next outage both my rigs will be out of work within hours.........not good.

I can certainly see a seti sabbatical coming on in the near future. :(
 
Think yourself lucky - until not long ago it was 20.

60 is a little more tolerable for me - it's almost enough for three days on everything but the quad. Hopefully it'll go higher and it's just a case of post-outage management.
 

lol wish i could say i was surprised but i'm not :rolleyes: Lets see how long this lasts. Who's taking bets that no one gets any significant numbers of WU's before their down again on Tuesday??
 
Just before the servers went bust they had reduced the allowance on both rigs............

So, now that my cahce is dry on both rigs SETI has been set to 'No New Tasks'.

Hopefully, one day I shall return - when work is more freely available.

It's been fun - especially the last few months when things really started to heat up (quite literally),

Good Luck.
 
Oh boy, what a mess! :(

Before I went to bed last night, there were nearly half a million tasks waiting to go out, now we have, err, nothing (really nothing)! I don't believe for a minute that they will keep the draconian download limit in place as they have said themselves that they have 'pretty well given up on 24/7 operation' - and they must surely know that they will loose a considerable amount of processing capacity if these measures continue.

I thought the download limit was a fairly clever way of managing the network flow - and maybe it was. I did have a look at the Cricket graph for network utilisation during the period immediately after the servers came up, and it was impressive; a few hours of heavy traffic then a nice tailing off (its since gained a couple of spikes ). What I actually find interesting (god I'm sad - obviously a throw back to my old job), is that historically the inbound network traffic is where the greatest amount of data flows - which is the opposite of what you would expect (since a result file is far smaller than a task file):

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;view=Octets;ranges=w

not sure why......

Unfortunately, the server crash wasn't something they could figure into their plans, and this put paid to what I think they were going to do, which was to gently increase the limit. This way, the small contributors get a bash at grabbing their work, and the big crunchers slowly fill their tanks and perhaps by the time we got to the next outage, everybody would have been happy - ish. Also with this approach, the inbound network traffic 'should've' remained fairly steady (after the initial rush) as tasks from everyone's smaller caches were reported and they requested new work. I also noticed that in the run up to the last big planned outage, only 1 download server was running, so there was additional download capacity available - but perhaps not the network bandwidth to use it.

Anyway, I think their approach actually shows promise. I think this current period of instability will pass, but that we will see significant changes to the pattern of short-term work availability. We musn't loose sight of the fact that they are making untested changes to a live production system - which is always fraught with problems (when you cannot fully replicate the physical and logical infrastructure in a test environment and test changes before migrating them to production).

We must also remember that the project does not exist to serve us - its the other way around........ :eek: Yes we all like big numbers (around here anyway), but we have volunteered to process their data when it is available.

Keep the faith! ( :rolleyes: )
 
I don't believe for a minute that they will keep the draconian download limit in place

I hope your right on that one mate.

We must also remember that the project does not exist to serve us - its the other way around........ :eek: Yes we all like big numbers (around here anyway), but we have volunteered to process their data when it is available.

Keep the faith! ( :rolleyes: )

Of course thats the situation but its still a hard pill to swallow after all the investment in hardware.
Dont get me wrong, I certainly wont lose the faith and if I do run out of work then its my second love - Milkyway@Home

Keep us informed mate on any interesting developments :)

This caught my eye in Matt Lebofsky's last post, in particular the last sentence :)

In short, it may not seem like much this first week given the extended downtime, but the mood around here is a lot better when we have the time and resources to take care of longstanding projects without worrying about squeezing them in edgewise.
I think general productivity will vastly improve over time, and we'll adjust the outage schedules accordingly.
 
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I think patience is needed here - I agree with halz about the lack of work, especially when a lot of us have invested in hardware, it is very frustrating, but that was our choice...
I haven't downloaded a single wu since the servers came back up, either no work, or the limit error message and 1 rig is now crunching MW/rosetta until things settle down. My Fermi Rig has enough for another 2 days of GPU crunching, so we will see what happens then.
I do think that things will get better over time, we just need to hang in there, seti classic used to have outages of a month, so its not that bad really, and with Boinc, there are other projects that can keep the hardware warm...
Can't wait until MW has a fermi app though :p
 
Of course thats the situation but its still a hard pill to swallow after all the investment in hardware.


...not to mention the 'leccy bill! I saved for six months to scrape enough together for mine - part-time postmen don't get paid much :( .


This caught my eye in Matt Lebofsky's last post, in particular the last sentence :)

Yes, as it did mine. They are obviously trying to figure out the best way to keep stuff flowing with minimal intervention in terms of their time. They have become a victim of their own success; processing capacity far outstrips what the creaking hardware can accommodate even with lots of bits of botch tape and chewing gum here, there and everywhere :D

And of course, the tiny pieces of information that come officially from the project are just enough to start wild speculation - but then again, communication has never been one of this project's strong points - an interesting situation given the objective of the project!!!!
 
Morning all, am sure this is all a temporary thing and there's no question of me loosing faith as i have said before i am here for the long term. Have met some good people here who have helped me enormously and i will not let that go without a fight.
Nice to see the percentage of donators is higher than the average well done all.
I had my seti sabatical about 3am this morning i sat back with a cuppa cha and a plate of the team biscuit, weighed up cost interest science etc and told myself i would be a complete idiot to bail out for the sake of a few hiccups - sabatical over in 2 minutes :D
I dont have money to waste but have made my investment and am more than happy to sit back and give it time to show dividends, i thought it was quite funny that 24 hours after i topped out a machine with 3 x 480 we get a (hopefully temporary) 20 task limit...ok i may have had a tear in my eye for a split second lol
I've done the honours Mr Halz sah the fermis are all in place just waiting to see how they take off :D:D
Overall in the last few months i have seen absolutely everyone doing there upmost to better themselves the science and the team, and while some are a little more competative than others we've all done amazingly well, this team is allready one of the best teams there is and we can go further i know it.
 
Well said Toxic, and lets not forget this affects all the other teams as well so the competition remains
the same - the Germans dont get any more work either you know :D
 
Ooooohhhh sweet i didn't think of it like that....you see how the slightest mention of the G word can invoke team spirit....i say we go get em...:D
 
Sorry, my post wasn't meant to sound 'preachy' - I used the rolls eyes icon because I must sound like stuck record :) There we go, a smiley one!

I have been somewhat voiceiferous (wow, had to check the spelling on that word) about using PayPal for donations. I can only afford a small amount a month (I said in the past $10, but I could stretch to £10), but it would be regular. I am not interested in having a star, as I think that promotes finger pointing. Is there any interest in making a regular monthly team donation, since the pleas for PayPal support at Berkeley/SAH seem to have fallen on deaf ears. My thinking is that donating a larger amount may well prove to be cheaper (read more $ to the project) that lots of really small donations.....
 
I had my seti sabatical about 3am this morning i sat back with a cuppa cha and a plate of the team biscuit, weighed up cost interest science etc and told myself i would be a complete idiot to bail out for the sake of a few hiccups - sabatical over in 2 minutes :D

....had to laugh at this!!!! :D
 
Lol i wouldn't worry about it sounding preachy it's a good mix to have in a team, i class myself as a bit of a joker but it's also good to have a bit of commonsense too which just adds to my thoughts that this team has a great mix of people.
I agree that having a star is not important i try to donate £10 a month just because i believe in the project and allthough it has its problems it has been a great learning experience. If there's a conscensus that one monthly team donation is the way to go i am all for it, for the time i have been here there has been no finger pointing about stars/donations nor will i think there ever will be but at the same time we have to keep the importance of donations to the project alive, not an easy balance to strike.
Mr Halz sah....i believe Area 51 has not seen the team biscuit add(correct me if i am wrong) please could you oblige with your digestive promo :D
As for that Marine chappy he's holed up with a crate of jammy d's but he'll learn :D
 
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