Not sure I see what you can do about it, if it ended up in (a civil) court, he'd just say the same "I don't have it, and have offered to pay in installments" the court will have a go at you for wasting their time then order him to carry on paying in installments...
Ebay screwed :( Ruined my month!
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I know thats why the bank is sorting it. Im pretty sure my bank covers this stuff.
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Exactly my thoughts.
To the OP :
It WILL NOT resolve your problem. You wil not get your money back anytime soon..
And reporting it to your local constabularies admin copper will be an even bigger waste of time, as well as being stressful and time-consuming.
If you want to sort it.... spend £30 and drive to this muppets house (or ask one of his past buyers where he lives or where he sells from).
Get the money off him in person even if it takes time (a couple of hours of your time) and effort - then decide whether you want to report him. Is it that difficult ? If everyone on Ebay did this - how much wasted Police time/CAB time and wasted Government resorces would be saved catching criminals on the street ? And how many petty Ebay conmen would be nipped in the bud before they got too big & con even more naive people ?
You have exchanged 55 emails and he has still not given you any cash back or any real excuse for keeping a grand of your money - are you happy with that..???? Do your parents know what you have paid for ?
Maybe I should buy a kidney off you. For £1000.....would you be as quick to give it away without putting a proper fight up - or maybe you expect the bank to sort it as it would be their debit card that handled the transaction ?????
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And tell me this, what happens if he does drive to this MUPPETS house and confronts him and the guy is some sort of a 'header' and the OP ends up with his face caved in. giving 'internet hard man' advice aint gonna help anyone. banks have procedures in place that are desgined to protect our money especially when we use online payment facilities. the banks agreed to these procedures and set them up.
to the OP-let your bank deal with it if they can and save yourself anymore grief
Since he hasn't committed a crime it's a civil matter and not something the police would or should get involved in. Taking him to court won't get you anywhere if he doesn't have any money or assets to pay you with. Visa debit chargeback from the bank is the only real option other than waiting.
Sounds like he's just got a £1055 loan from you without having to pay the APR.
Pretty low of him selling something he hasn't physically got.
Even lower to spend the money before completing his part of the deal i.e giving you your tickets.
What an absolute scumbag.
Pretty low of him selling something he hasn't physically got.
Even lower to spend the money before completing his part of the deal i.e giving you your tickets.
What an absolute scumbag.
I got stuffed like this a couple years ago, the guy had a similar story, luckily my credit card company sorted it, but paypal wont do anything as it was over their 45 days, never buy tickets in advance on ebay this is the biggest scam going!!
Just shows what a joke our legal system is then if it fails to acknowledge that a crime has taken place. The only difference being the "means of deception" used to unlawfully deprive people of their money.
a) Person X goes in shop unlawfully steals £1000 from till/safe. Theft
b) Person X sets up scam online where he can scam much more money out of many people. By promising to deliver goods that are "bought" from him. He probably "sells" these same goods for £1000 multiple times to many different people to maximise the monies he gets back.
Obviously its much much more profitable to "legally" (haha) scam many people from all over the place than to overtly take money from one person/store.
A crime takes place in both. The difference between them is that A) is Overt and B) is much more covert and deceptive. The robber in A) is much more honest about his actions than the robber in B)
To the OP: your bank will get your money back as you paid via DC. I've never had a problem with getting money back this way.
But the seller hasn't done that, he has 3000 positive feedback, it's a genuine error caused by bad (perhaps unethical) business practices but he's not trying to rip people off.
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This is why you should buy the tickets from real resellers as they come out.
A: It's cheaper by a large amoutn
B: You don't get ripped off
Trouble is, they don't send the tickets out until just before a festival, so you can't know whether you're going to get them until then. Buying off touts is mega risky. I know at least a dozen guys who got sold fake reading tickets one year.
Offer him a deal. Get his address, if he doesn't pay back within 2-3 months you'll come round and reclaim your debt by selling whatever he's bought with the £1055
A: It's cheaper by a large amoutn
B: You don't get ripped off
Trouble is, they don't send the tickets out until just before a festival, so you can't know whether you're going to get them until then. Buying off touts is mega risky. I know at least a dozen guys who got sold fake reading tickets one year.
Offer him a deal. Get his address, if he doesn't pay back within 2-3 months you'll come round and reclaim your debt by selling whatever he's bought with the £1055
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And if he says the same thing "No, I don't have the cash?"
Also, what if the guys got like 4 friends around at the time, the OP goes there alone?
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Pressure + Time = You get your money back. Just keep bombarding him, don't let him forget he is in your debt.
Letters, phonecalls, emails, house visits.
If you make it an unpleasant experience he will want to end it asap.
Letters, phonecalls, emails, house visits.
If you make it an unpleasant experience he will want to end it asap.
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Read through this whole thing, and feel for you.
Easy to say "go round and see him in person", but as someone else said, it's a risky option, and may just end up with him explaining the same thing on the door step - if he ain't got the money, he ain't got the money.
The way I would handle things is with two options:
1. Carry on via your bank - if they can help sort it quickly then great.
2. If the guy has a sob story about not being able to afford a refund, and is still offering the instalments, then you have every right to charge regular late-payment fees. Send him an official invoice - clearly stating that all amounts outstanding after 28days will incur a charge of £10 for a reminder letter, and a 15% interest charge. Then every month, as he sends you his instalment, take that off what he owes you and send him another letter with a revised balance + charge + interest. Make sure it's all done recorded.
Easy to say "go round and see him in person", but as someone else said, it's a risky option, and may just end up with him explaining the same thing on the door step - if he ain't got the money, he ain't got the money.
The way I would handle things is with two options:
1. Carry on via your bank - if they can help sort it quickly then great.
2. If the guy has a sob story about not being able to afford a refund, and is still offering the instalments, then you have every right to charge regular late-payment fees. Send him an official invoice - clearly stating that all amounts outstanding after 28days will incur a charge of £10 for a reminder letter, and a 15% interest charge. Then every month, as he sends you his instalment, take that off what he owes you and send him another letter with a revised balance + charge + interest. Make sure it's all done recorded.
Somebody "fixed" it back for you...
smells very fishy, he has sold a lot of tickets before (3000 going by feedback) at very inflated toutish rates, however doesnt have enough to pay you back a grand, when you have given him a grand and he has had to pay nothing (as card was declined) on top of normal earnings and previous profits
doesnt add up, unless he has a very exspensive coke habit
doesnt add up, unless he has a very exspensive coke habit
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@ wikipedia - the person didn't even offer any justification for the reversion. Reverted to my version and added some text to the talk page asking them to justify the reversion before doing it again.EDIT: Also added a link this time to back-up my point.
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Of course he is, OP just paid him £1000 + and yet the seller magically doesnt have the funds to pay him back but wants to pay in installments.....
Why not just bend over and accept monopoly money because its an obvious scam!
Also.. (and this grinds my gears as well) .... you want to define "bad business practices" lol When someone does something dishonest first thing they do is try to justify it in different terms.....its a farce really... Its the same action that is happening ie stealing, theft of monies or items not belonging to him. But lets not call it stealing ehh coz the seller promises to pay it back £5 a month GG.....like i said farcial...and farcial how people accept it!!!!
Doesnt matter coz im about 98% sure OP's bank chargeback from paypal will get him his money back.
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Bare in mind that its (currently) a civil case... however ANY offer of repayment in installments has to be agreed between you - if you can't agree between you - then you do have grounds for making it a legal case (but its still not a criminal one at this point).
Do keep onto him at the very minimum weekly he might decide your too much of a pain and just pay you.
Any agreement on repayments would constitue a contract between you (amendment of original contract) so get it in writing then if he doesn't pay up in a timely fashion you have grounds to shaft him.
Do keep onto him at the very minimum weekly he might decide your too much of a pain and just pay you.
Any agreement on repayments would constitue a contract between you (amendment of original contract) so get it in writing then if he doesn't pay up in a timely fashion you have grounds to shaft him.