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- Thread starter shanezog
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well overclock them or if you're looking at minimum fps or features then the 470 wins by a reasonable amount
No, the 465 runs hotter, is more power hungry, does not overclock nearly as well and is slower in all dx9, almost all dx10 (by a fair bit) and most dx11 benchmarks. Furthermore, the feature set is at best equal assuming the OP does not intend to use CUDA.
Please refer yourselves to the following benchmarks :
anandtech
guru3d
hardwarecanucks
hotwardware
kitguru
techpowerup
tomshardware
tweaktown
xbitlabs
There is no way one can justify a 465 over a 5850 on a purely rational basis. However that being said it's by no means a bad card and, considering the current UK pricing, can be had quite happily for subjective reasons such as personal preference and experience without suffering any great inferiority.
- Ordokai
Please refer yourselves to the following benchmarks :
anandtech
guru3d
hardwarecanucks
hotwardware
kitguru
techpowerup
tomshardware
tweaktown
xbitlabs
There is no way one can justify a 465 over a 5850 on a purely rational basis. However that being said it's by no means a bad card and, considering the current UK pricing, can be had quite happily for subjective reasons such as personal preference and experience without suffering any great inferiority.
- Ordokai
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It appears that you conveniently missed out 3D vision and PhysX, not to mention Nvidias drivers which "just work" unlike all the ATi issues that I see bombarding this very forum on a daily basis.If it's bang for buck that the op wants then sure the 5850 is the way to go.
If however they are interested in having rock solid drivers and a far better feature set then I would recommend the cheapest 470 they can get their hands on, which to be fair isn't a great deal more than a 5850 anyway.
It would be handy to know what res the op is intending to game at, as this could change what card I would recommend.
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If it's bang for buck that the op wants then sure the 5850 is the way to go.
If however they are interested in having rock solid drivers and a far better feature set then I would recommend the cheapest 470 they can get their hands on, which to be fair isn't a great deal more than a 5850 anyway.
It would be handy to know what res the op is intending to game at, as this could change what card I would recommend.
I missed out nothing. 3D vision and eyefinity cancel each other out being cool options you can have but need extra hardware to use. Physx is basically the following : 'if the game you want to play happens to use our software it will run better' Thats not really a feature and given most games don't even use it boils down to nothing.
By the same logic you can look up games that run much better on AMD cards and you get the same 'feature'. Point being that you have no power over which games have it and cannot benefit unless the next game you want to play happens to use it. How is that any different from a generic performance advantage considering the gap isn't even that great ? Brilliant marketing though. Essentially all that physx does is give you a heads-up that this particular game -might- have a chance at running -slightly- better on your card. Moreover it's by no means even guaranteed given the price discrepancies consistently pitting Nvidia cards against unintended competition. Example: the 465 was planned to sit between the 5830 and the 5850, but ends up costing the same as a 5850.
As far as the driver comments go, the point is moot because its hard to quantify and there are simply more AMD cards around. With good reason too.
...Taking sides is fun as it turns out... - Ordokai
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What a load of rot, you've only got to take a look at the latest steam hardware survey to discover that Nvidia still has the lions share of users.
ATi do some great cards right now there's no denying that, it's just a shame their driver team is still churning out under par drivers, often breaking more stuff than they fix!
It certainly seems (at least on these forums anyway) that whilst Nvidia card users are enjoying their games, ATi users are constantly running into problems.
True enough, however most of them have old and lower-tier cards bought when green was very popular. I assumed we are not covering the whole history of cards and are concerned with recent generations relevant to the topic and the problems of which are actually discussed in this sub-forum. It should come as no surprise that most steam users don't have new rigs and it's well established that nvidia dominates the lower-end GPU market.
Indeed your very own posted image clearly states that not only do 94.4% of users not have a current gen card but 21.24% are still running dx9 or lower. But you're right I should have made it clearer, what I meant was that this gen there are a whole bunch more AMD cards around, hence more complaints. Finally, as Beefy so succinctly pointed out, its time to drop the 'bad drivers' card nvidia fans have been using for years now. That argument always feels like the last, desperate punch on the way down. Also of note is the following :
Source: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1030923/nvidia-blame-vista-crashes
Half a million crashes caused by Nvidia within a sample of only 1.6 mil ? And objective info at that, more than representative too. So lets just drop the whole ati driver thing, its time to move on.
[ EDIT : corrected numbering, silly me ]
- Ordokai
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That argument always feels like the last, desperate punch on the way down. Also of note is the following :
Source: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1030923/nvidia-blame-vista-crashes
Half a billion crashes caused by Nvidia within a sample of only 1.6 bil ? And objective info at that, more than representative too. So lets just drop the whole ati driver thing, its time to move on.
I give you readily available up to date non-biased information showing you that on probably the most popular gaming download site there's almost double the amount of Nvidia cards being used today,
and you come back with the undeniably ATi biased Inquirer and an article that's over two years old?
I fear it's you that's clutching at straws, or throwing a "desperate punch" if that's the best you can come up with.
Oh and you may want to brush up on your maths too, that'll be a sample of 1.6 million not billion
Anyway I'm out of this conversation, OP obviously it's entirely up to you what card to buy,
but can I suggest you have a good look around at all the pros and cons, and do some serious research before parting with such a large sum of money.
And for heavens sake please do not base your purchase entirely on some of the nonsense you'll invariably read on these forums.
I give you readily available up to date non-biased information showing you that on probably the most popular gaming download site there's almost double the amount of Nvidia cards being used today,
and you come back with the undeniably ATi biased Inquirer and an article that's over two years old?
I fear it's you that's clutching at straws, or throwing a "desperate punch" if that's the best you can come up with.
Oh and you may want to brush up on your maths too, that'll be a sample of 1.6 million not billion
Anyway I'm out of this conversation, OP obviously it's entirely up to you what card to buy,
but can I suggest you have a good look around at all the pros and cons, and do some serious research before parting with such a large sum of money.
And for heavens sake please do not base your purchase entirely on some of the nonsense you'll invariably read on these forums.
1) You're entirely right, it's millions... silly me
2) The source material is not the Inquirer by any means, the same information has been reported all over the net and is from a Microsoft report they used in a court of law.
3) 2 years old you say ? And how long have nvidia fans thrown the ATI driver argument around, or just because there are no actual facts backing it up there's no time limit to its validity ?
4) I covered the 'more nvidia cards' bit in my previous post and it should not be hard to brush up on maths and realize that even given this the amount of crashes is -significantly- skewed towards nvidia.
5) And once again, we are focusing on this gen and perhaps the last, people with old cards and drivers that are not even updated anymore cannot be used to justify anything in the present. They are the vast majority of the steam users, so saying 'nvidia has more cards and I see less complaints' is a very poor argument in this case.
As far as the OP's choice of card goes, all the info he really needs can be plainly seen in the many benchmarks and reviews both posed here and found readily on the net. The 5850 is the choice I would go for seeing as they cost the same. That being said, stretching for a 470 is an interesting possibility but deserves a whole different discussion.
Good advice, especially nonsense such as groundless accusations of driver problems. One should realize that satisfied customers rarely go on forums to announce it.
- Ordokai
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