Ebay screwed :( Ruined my month!

nex20 said:
£200 quid each for a ticket for T in the park? Jesus glastonbury is cheaper than that and T in the park has got a pretty god awful lineup.
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Its a couple of quid away from £200 for a glastonbury ticket, what are you talking about?
 
Further reason (if it was ever needed) to never use PayPal.

It's OK for its intended purpose of paying your "pals" i.e. people you know. But for conducting business transactions it is totally useless and not fit for purpose.
 
NathanE said:
Further reason (if it was ever needed) to never use PayPal.

It's OK for its intended purpose of paying your "pals" i.e. people you know. But for conducting business transactions it is totally useless and not fit for purpose.
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I'm not the biggest fan of PayPal but what more can they do in this situation? You have to draw the line at some point, 90 days seems sufficient to me. Otherwise you would sell something and the buyer would have the opportunity to open a case months or even years down the line.

This seems like a very unusual scenario which wouldn't affect a vast percentage of sales conducted via eBay/PayPal. I guess it's a risk you take when you buy from a middle man rather than directly from the official place that distributes the tickets.
 
It's sad how easy it is to get away with this sort of thing. At least this guy sounds like he'll pay you back. My fiancée bought a box set for £80 on Amazon, seller never sent the items and wouldn't respond to any attempts at contacting her. Contacted Amazon who refunded us the £80 back, which is fine. But all I can imagine is this person just sets up Amazon accounts with fake items, gets the money then spends it. Does anything actually happen to them? The seller had mostly bad reviews saying items not sent. Was an obvious scammer.
 
First Question why did you wait over 45 Days?

if i didn't receive a product i ordered for within 2 weeks i would be chasing them advising either to cancel or send the said item.

Understandibly Paypal advised that they will not deal with the matter, however your best bet is to write to them advising of the situation, You can also leave some feedback on his sellers page, this is to warn other people in the future.

Have you got proof that the card was declined? sounds to me like he took your money and done a runner.
 
dave1983 said:
First Question why did you wait over 45 Days?

if i didn't receive a product i ordered for within 2 weeks i would be chasing them advising either to cancel or send the said item.

Understandibly Paypal advised that they will not deal with the matter, however your best bet is to write to them advising of the situation, You can also leave some feedback on his sellers page, this is to warn other people in the future.

Have you got proof that the card was declined? sounds to me like he took your money and done a runner.
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tickets are sold up to 11 months in advance on T in the P but tickets are not sent out till 2 weeks before. He bought the promise of the tickets when they arrived.

Still the OP is not confirming what/if any proof he got from the seller, other than "he was a 3000 feedback seller".
 
booyaka said:
tickets are sold up to 11 months in advance on T in the P but tickets are not sent out till 2 weeks before. He bought the promise of the tickets when they arrived.

Still the OP is not confirming what/if any proof he got from the seller, other than "he was a 3000 feedback seller".
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that would be my first port of call, get proof it was declined and send onto the bank, it would help his case getting the money back.
 
LOL the 'small claims court' discussion has to be I think, the most utterly pedantic discussion I've seen on the internet in quite some time. :p I would say the wiki article is now wrong as clearly the notion of a 'small claims court' does exist by popular reference even though technically it is a procedural track within the county court system - for legal gimps on the other hand the notion may not exist.

I liked the link to Her Magesty's (sic) Court Service though :D
 
Energize said:
Exactly, since there was no intent to permanently deprive there is no theft. A contract of sale was entered into, which then fell through. Why do people not get arrested every time they default on a payment? Because it isn't theft, it's a civil matter, no mens rea.
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Theres a difference between defaulting on an established agreement and the contract not even getting off the ground, just failing entirely. Its more a case that the contract was bogus rather than it falling through in the OP case.


We have a difference of opinion basically you are saying that it is a genuine contract entered into by both parties i am saying that because of the behaviour of the seller it was essentially a bogus contract. (its the means by which he is able to commit his crime)

The seller has defrauded the buyer using the means of this "contract" to make it seem that he was behaving legitimately and it was just poor financial circumstances that has contributed to him not being able to pay back the buyer his £1k+ of monies.

The dishonest intent is proven by the seller willfully holding onto monies that are not his. No contract exists that legitimizes him keeping that money.

Thats important to note.

Now yes he could hold onto the money if there was still some kind of sale contract between them but there isnt.

These sort of situations those partaking in illegal activity will align their dealings very closely with a legitimate legal sale process but there will be clues in the process that should warn the prospective buyer that something very dodgy is going on.

When someone agrees to give you X if you give them Y. You give them Y and then they dont give you X and then refuse to give you Y back. (the sale contract doesnt exist anymore because seller couldnt fulfill their side)

Its null and void.

I'm pretty convinced what i'm saying is sound and that the seller has shown enough dishonest intent(objective test implicated) in his behaviour for criminal investigations to begin.
 
Energize said:
There's no evidence of that whatsoever.
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Are you saying theres no evidence that the seller is holding onto the OP's money or is it the dishonest intent part you disagree with...its hard because you dont present an argument you state points as if they are already self-evident truths that do not require anything else.

If you have an argument lets hear it.

ty.
 
Claims he never got an email from ticketmaster regarding failed transaction.

Sent me an email the other day saying he now cant sleep and is feeling very ill regarding this (awwww blessss).

He claims his business has taken a massive nose dive and he simpley does not have the money to payback. He said he would have just been able to shift some other festival tickets but he hasnt got anything that will generate enough cash to pay me. He also said he went to see his bank and they think i should be able to recover my money.

Will speak with the bank friday and hope to get this mess sorted. He is totally ignoring my requests for a postal address encase i need to mail him court papers. Think he is worried im going to pay him a visit and smash his stuff up lol.

Oh and when i say im down £1055 its really between 4 of us. So hes angered 4 people not just me. Its a bit crap im the one whos got to deal with this guy and not the others.
 
surely his address and stuff is on ebay/paypal under the deal ? or has that been removed since so much time has passed ?

and losing sleep ? maybe he shouldnt spend money he doesnt have then or promise goods he doesnt have. tell him all 4 of you are losing sleep :p
 
"andy" said:
surely his address and stuff is on ebay/paypal under the deal ? or has that been removed since so much time has passed ?

and losing sleep ? maybe he shouldnt spend money he doesnt have then or promise goods he doesnt have. tell him all 4 of you are losing sleep :p
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Dont worry i said in my reply something to that effect.

I cant find his postal address in ebay due to it being too long ago haven't tried paypal it might on there though id imagine. Wouldnt be hard to get anyway just thought i would give him a chance to willingly give it me before i have to go all ninja OCUK detective on him :)
 
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