Manhunt in Northumbria on BBC

rypt said:
No, because you insist that a better trained unit would have acted the same, while I say that a better trained unit were they running the whole show would not have made the same call (and would not need 7 shots)
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Although multiple shots to the head is the prescribe method for dealing with a terrorist suspected of being a suicide bomber.

That is fact, I know it to be.
 
Just saw on the news that the psni have sent 20 armoured cars over, think well probably need them back soon as it's coming upto the 12th of july.:D
 
rypt said:
No, because you insist that a better trained unit would have acted the same, while I say that a better trained unit were they running the whole show would not have made the same call (and would not need 7 shots)
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Have you never heard of the SAS' use of anchor shots? If they'd been told they were dealing with a suicide bomber, I see very little possibility of any different outcome.

The SAS are just as capable of making mistakes as anyone else. Difference being their involvement and operations are seldom made public knowledge.

The JCDM incident occurred due to a series of mistakes. Yes, better preparedness for such things would have helped, but it's difficult to prepare for something when you don't know how it'll play out in the first place. It's impractical and infeasible to just push the police aside and call in the SAS whenever things get a bit dangerous. It's not just a case of giving them a call and waiting for them to arrive.
 
TheVoice said:
It's impractical and infeasible to just push the police aside and call in the SAS whenever things get a bit dangerous. It's not just a case of giving them a call and waiting for them to arrive.
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Perhaps serious armed special operations should all be carried out by an enlarged contingent of the army special forces, due to them having experience, rather than by the police who are face a real situation rarely
 
rypt said:
Perhaps serious armed special operations should all be carried out by an enlarged contingent of the army special forces, due to them having experience, rather than by the police who are face a real situation rarely
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You really have no idea about AFO's and their role and the threats they face. Real life isn't like a Tom Clancy novel.
 
rypt said:
Perhaps serious armed special operations should all be carried out by an enlarged contingent of the army special forces, due to them having experience, rather than by the police who are face a real situation rarely
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So you're going to remove the police from operations, because they're never involved in such operations? Great plan. The military might have more experience in dealing with this sort of scenario elsewhere in the world, but that's why we send them there. We aren't policed by our own military and we never should be.
 
I might be going off topic here but does anyone else think that had the ex girlfriend not lied about her seeing a police man the whole situation might have been avoided?

I mean she says she is seeing a police man and shortly after one gets shot, I feel sorry for the police man getting caught up in some womans lies. Maybe she will think before she opens her mouth in future.

IMO
 
Felix Da Housecat said:
I might be going off topic here but does anyone else think that had the ex girlfriend not lied about her seeing a police man the whole situation might have been avoided?

I mean she says she is seeing a police man and shortly after one gets shot, I feel sorry for the police man getting caught up in some womans lies. Maybe she will think before she opens her mouth in future.

IMO
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Women for you....
 
Felix Da Housecat said:
I might be going off topic here but does anyone else think that had the ex girlfriend not lied about her seeing a police man the whole situation might have been avoided?

I mean she says she is seeing a police man and shortly after one gets shot, I feel sorry for the police man getting caught up in some womans lies. Maybe she will think before she opens her mouth in future.

IMO
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Maybe, but it's not her fault her ex is a looney
 
rypt said:
That is the same thing happening now, we have officers who may have the training, but do not have any real life experience doing the job.
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How do you know what experience the AFO's on the ground have !?

Also how do you suggest they gain the experience you so desire unless they actually deal with real life incidents?

What knowledge do you have of the way the Police deploy and use AFO's?
 
TheVoice said:
So you're going to remove the police from operations, because they're never involved in such operations? Great plan. The military might have more experience in dealing with this sort of scenario elsewhere in the world, but that's why we send them there. We aren't policed by our own military and we never should be.
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I'm not asking to be policed by the army, I'm saying that SWAT-like activities should be done by them
 
rypt said:
I'm not asking to be policed by the army, I'm saying that SWAT-like activities should be done by them
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You don't seem to understand why we have tactical firearms teams within the police in the first place. We could, were the legislation and resources in place, have a completely unarmed police service and just rely on the military for all armed presence. But as has been explained many times already, the military are trained differently for a different threat within a different set of circumstances. You can't use the same set of guys for taking out a bunker of Iraqi insurgents AND performing a 'routine' armed stop on a vehicle in a British urban environment. The danger for overlap - that is, using the wrong approach on the wrong situation - would be massive.
 
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