LIES: I told them I'm working but I'm not

Burnsy2023 said:
Surely your P45 from the job centre will let the cat out of the bag...
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Not if he doesn’t give them his P45. The only problem is references, but tell them you don't want references contacted until after the jobs been offered.
 
Still a problem

Stretch said:
Not if he doesn’t give them his P45. The only problem is references, but tell them you don't want references contacted until after the jobs been offered.
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Waiting until after the job is offered to check the references doesn't help. An offer based on a lie (at least in part) can be withdrawn and is menaingless to the person to whom the job was offered.

You get caught lying, you lose.
 
AtticusFinch said:
Waiting until after the job is offered to check the references doesn't help. An offer based on a lie (at least in part) can be withdrawn and is menaingless to the person to whom the job was offered.

You get caught lying, you lose.
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Let's say you give a great interview and they've spent time and money interviewing many candidates and decide you are the best one so you so you get an offer. They are hardly going to retract the offer just because of a small (assuming we're talking 2 months or so) discrepancy in your previous employment dates. THEY WON'T CARE.

What next? Getting an offer withdrawn because you said you had 2 years experience supporting Citrix when you actually only have 15 months?
 
gambitt said:
Let's say you give a great interview and they've spent time and money interviewing many candidates and decide you are the best one so you so you get an offer. They are hardly going to retract the offer just because of a small (assuming we're talking 2 months or so) discrepancy in your previous employment dates. THEY WON'T CARE.

What next? Getting an offer withdrawn because you said you had 2 years experience supporting Citrix when you actually only have 15 months?
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Yep, it happens. Employers don't like liars.
 
gambitt said:
Let's say you give a great interview and they've spent time and money interviewing many candidates and decide you are the best one so you so you get an offer. They are hardly going to retract the offer just because of a small (assuming we're talking 2 months or so) discrepancy in your previous employment dates. THEY WON'T CARE.

What next? Getting an offer withdrawn because you said you had 2 years experience supporting Citrix when you actually only have 15 months?
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They may well, indeed, care. I've known people who've been working for a company for over a year get marched out the door because it turned out they lied on their CV.

OP, is there any chance you can do something like "I'm very sorry about this, but I've just realised I sent you an outdated version of my CV. Here's the up to date one"? Or did you lie in your covering letter too?
 
I'm gald I don't work with you

gambitt said:
Let's say you give a great interview and they've spent time and money interviewing many candidates and decide you are the best one so you so you get an offer. They are hardly going to retract the offer just because of a small (assuming we're talking 2 months or so) discrepancy in your previous employment dates. THEY WON'T CARE.

What next? Getting an offer withdrawn because you said you had 2 years experience supporting Citrix when you actually only have 15 months?
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Absolutely they will withdraw the offer - the whole basis of employment is mutual trust and confidence. It is a very different thing to be stretching the truth as to the exact length of time you WERE doing something (and which is extremely unlikely to be verified) and to completely lie that you WERE doing somehting when, in fact, you WERE NOT doing it.

This is particulalry the case where it is so easily susceptible to empirical proof and independently verified as a matter of course.
 
In the cover letter I tried not to make a reference to it but yes there's a line that says "in my current position I...".

So claiming ignorance with sending a CV that wasn't updated might not work. I was hoping to use that until I just checked the cover letter and found that line.

I made the mistake to try this out on ONE job application, literally one!
 
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Mr Jack said:
They may well, indeed, care. I've known people who've been working for a company for over a year get marched out the door because it turned out they lied on their CV.
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Of course, I have seen this happen as well. I know of a contractor who said he had 5 years experience as a civil engineer got kicked out they found out he didn't know how to use AutoCAD. It depends on severity of the situation, there is a grey area although I know the OcUK forum likes to deal in black and white.

Mr Jack said:
OP, is there any chance you can do something like "I'm very sorry about this, but I've just realised I sent you an outdated version of my CV. Here's the up to date one"? Or did you lie in your covering letter too?
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Exactly. A scenario like this can easily be explained away (albeit with another lie ;)). Although I just noticed he's said it's been 6 months which is pushing a bit far.

trentlad said:
In the cover letter I tried not to make a reference to it but yes there's a line that says "in my current position I...".

I made the mistake to try this out on ONE job application, literally one!
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If that's the extent of the admission you have nothing to worry about! Current, previous - they aren't going to argue the semantics.
 
turbotoaster said:
jesus christ!!!

You want to know why, id rather risk getting caught in an interview than never getting an interview.

If im going for a job im not qualified for but i know i can do it, or learn it within a short space of time then ill put on my CV im qualified/experienced because im not prepared to sit on the dole for having good morals.

You see people saying they have been unemployed for months and theres no work, thats rubbish, you just arnt getting your cv to stand out from the rest.

I live in stoke which on the news the other night has one of the worst unemployment in the country and has been worst hit by the recessions, i got made redundant recently and took me 1 week to find a job, is my CV and application form true......nope....but would i have got the job without 'adjusting it'....nope.


No offence but some people need to open there eyes a little and bend the rules to win, no one gets a prize for coming last.

On the OPs issue, i would just keep going along with what he originally told them.
Fill a p46 because you dont have a p45, on a p46 you dont have to mention previous work at all, just that its your one and only job.

...And more rubbish
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Dj_Jestar said:
And it's because of complete tools like this, kids, that we live in such a ****ed up world.
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Well said, turbotoaster, you are a tool.

I hope an OCUK detective can find your current employer somehow and let them know the Grade A idiot they have employed.

I hope it gets you sacked.
 
trentlad said:
In the cover letter I tried not to make a reference to it but yes there's a line that says "in my current position I...".
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Hmm... well, just be up front about it in your interview and hope they don't get upset about it. It's all you can really do.
 
They can tell from the tax code which is normally 921 but that won't matter. By the time you give them the P45 part 3, you are already working for the new company. It's the HR Dept. that deals with your P45 @ the new company.

Edit. if that came across the wrong way OP, I'm on your side. P45's are issued from the JC in the 5th month of the year. For £65.00 a week JSA it will show next to nothing in the TPTD.
 
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