Diesel soft-tops

[TW]Fox;16915461 said:
I never thought i'd see the day when you were my sole ally in a thread.

Peace, bro.

Can I have the last hr and half back please, I was just about to go to bed, debating's fun but in the dark at 20 to 1 when I've got to get up and look after a 2yr old in 5 hours time I'm off

What's tomorrow's debate?
 
Sightly related yet not that related but a bit sad story: The BMW 330i Saloon delivers class leading emissions of just 173g/km and combined MPG of 39 - comparable to some diesel models. Despite these environmental credentials, the 330i Saloon still does 0-60 in 6.0 seconds, 155mph, and has 272bhp.

272bhp and 173g/km - a major step forward in clean and efficient engines, right?

Well, due to low sales, the BMW 330i Saloon is now no longer available to buy new. It's gone. Finished. Goodbye.

Dont worry though, plenty of 320d's.
 
[TW]Fox;16915461 said:
I never thought i'd see the day when you were my sole ally in a thread.

Peace, bro.

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[TW]Fox;16915509 said:
Sightly related yet not that related but a bit sad story: The BMW 330i Saloon delivers class leading emissions of just 173g/km and combined MPG of 39 - comparable to some diesel models. Despite these environmental credentials, the 330i Saloon still does 0-60 in 6.0 seconds, 155mph, and has 272bhp.

272bhp and 173g/km - a major step forward in clean and efficient engines, right?

Well, due to low sales, the BMW 330i Saloon is now no longer available to buy new. It's gone. Finished. Goodbye

Really? thats shocking :(
 
it's also important to consider the point that half the people who buy convertibles never seem to lower the top, even when it's roasting
 
Because having a diesel is apparently fashionable these days.

75% of cabriolets I see on the road have their roofs welded shut and are never opened.

Diesel variants exist because of stupid people who want to make stupid purchase decisions. If you own a diesel cabrio you are mis-guided and stupid, you just are. It's like owning a quad-bike for road use. All of the downsides of riding a bike such as safety concern with none of the benefits of overtaking and zipping through traffic. How many of you would buy a diesel 911? Why is there not an "option" of a diesel 911? Because it's thick.

Some people own a diesel for the same reason they own a iPhone, fashion and trend as opposed to informed buying decision making.
 
Just skim-read the thread.

Why are there diesel cabrios? The rise and rise of diesel power, its a hell of a lot more accepted nowadays than it used to be. TDI this, CTDi that, D-Tec that other one. (Turbo) Diesels are, dare I say it...cool nowadays :(


Surely i cannot be the only one who often appreciates how nice silence can be when driving?

An inordinately huge amount of people will not give a monkeys about the sound their engine makes. Imho sad state of affairs, but the target market wont give much of a toss methinks.

Ive only driven a couple of "cabrios" with diesel engines, both folding roof types. (Renault Megane 1.9Dci, and a 206 cc 1.6HDi jobbie. Ignoring the inherent handling/packaging faults of both cars, roof down..traffic lights...with the diesel megane was....bordering on embarrassing on a personal level. It just doesnt compute in my mind to have a diesel cabrio. Most wont care.
 
Some people want or need a diesel. Not saying everyone who buys one can justify one but they do have a purpose

Some people want a convertible just for the sake of being out in the open and nothing to do with hammering around a b road.

I can see why most people here wouldn't want one but I cant see the problem with them
 
Some people want a convertible just for the sake of being out in the open and nothing to do with hammering around a b road.

I don't think at any point in this thread have I said that a convertible is mainly for hammering around B roads. Infact I've not mentioned performance at all.

Infact if hammering around B roads is your thing you are probably better off in a Coupe anyway.
 
Ok hammering was the wrong word, but some people don't care about certain aspects of the driving experience. They buy a convertible to have the wind in their hair and a diesel to save money.

Both diesels and convertibles serve a purpose, I don't see why they can't coincide
 
I think the whole idea of who would buy a diesel soft top is difficult to understand for anyone with even the smallest interest in cars. Allow me a brief explanation:

Most people do not have the foggiest idea about cars, and will buy one purely for how it looks and what colour it is available in. People will buy a red car on the basis that someone they know used to have a car in the same colour of red and it was either "sporty" or gave them no reliability issues. All models of cars are exactly the same, across the range.

Where I work, there are people who will go out and buy a brand spanking new car to avoid the inherant dangers and costs associated with MOT-ing their 3 year old car. This 3 year old car is immaculate, you understand - fastidiously maintained by the main dealer, and all the service stamps in order. No expense will have been spared, but after 3 years and 15000 miles, the driver can 'feel' the car almost on it's last legs and would like to get shot before something bad happens.

When the type of person outlined above decides, on a nice day, to go and view some cars at the Audi showroom, they are a salesman's dream. They have a budget of 'x', which naturally means the only car available to them is an Audi A4. There will be a vastly below-par part-ex offer on their old car, but that's fine, because what the salesman doesn't know is that on it's first MOT/service it might need a new front tyre and perhaps the air filter changing. Haha! Suckers!

They'll want a red one, of course, because red is better than blue. They'll want to spend thousands on manufacturer-fitted sat-nav because they've read horror stories of cars getting broken into due to the suction marks on the windscreen associated with standalone units. Now, the toughie - engine choice. Diesel beats all - even the bloke in the street will tell you this - it's faster and more economical than any petrol engine currently available - so a diesel it is.

This type of person will ask you, with a concerned look on their face, if your personal finances are ok if you're running a similar, petrol car. There will be some sucking through teeth when you mention that you like your petrol car, then a nervous, dismissive laugh, as one would give during chats with the residents at a local mental hospital.

Finally, everyone enjoys sunshine, so better get the convertible. Sign on the dotted line - it'll be delivered next month.
 
I think we should also have VTEC lorries as well. VTEC and lorries serve a purpose, just because you need to deliver a fridge doesn't mean you don't want VTEC, no?
 
This type of person will ask you, with a concerned look on their face, if your personal finances are ok if you're running a similar, petrol car. There will be some sucking through teeth when you mention that you like your petrol car, then a nervous, dismissive laugh, as one would give during chats with the residents at a local mental hospital.

This is a very good point.

I wonder how many of the utterly uninspiringly optioned BMW's and Audi's with black interiors and silver trim leave the showroom in that way because the salesman spent half the conversation banging on about residuals and how important they are....

I think your post is probably the most spot on so far. I wonder how many of these diesel cabrios, after 3 years, have covered similarily low mileage to your average petrol cabrio..

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif.../page/2/radius/1501/postcode/pl11aa?logcode=p

Wow, they are 1.9 TDI's?! Seriously?! I thought it was at least the 2.0 TDI but no, it's the boat anchor from a late 90's Golf you have to listen to as you pull up outside a nice coffee shop with the roof off :eek:
 
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Indeed Fox, most new cars seem to be bought on the basis of residuals, effectively buying the car for the person after!

If I want a Porsche 911 in matte brown with a red/green/orange tartan interior and silver roof lining, I'll have one!
 
[TW]Fox;16916470 said:
I think we should also have VTEC lorries as well. VTEC and lorries serve a purpose, just because you need to deliver a fridge doesn't mean you don't want VTEC, no?

No because one fundamentally wouldn't work with the other.

A diesel soft top neither prevents the enjoyment of a soft top for some people or the fuel savings of a diesel.

I'm not saying a large proportion of them aren't bought pointlessly, but the whole idea isn't pointless. I completely agree about the dillusioned car purchasing choices of some people. A woman at work just bought a brand new fiesta Eco thing. She's convinced she was putting 40 quid of petrol a week into her 3 year old 1.6 corolla and only 20 quid a month into the fiesta. Shes adamant it will have paid for itself in a year.

The only argument I can see is the noise - some people, myself included, couldn't care less provided it's not obtrusively loud. Sure I appreciate a nice engine note but it would never form a purchasing decision
 
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