church, gays, and a blonde

Jokester said:
Doesn't this mean then that the Bible is a load of tosh then?
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It depends what you would use it for, but I wouldn't say "tosh" in any circumstance.

As I said it is a partial record of the religious experiences of people from my religious heritage.

To paint an analogy you might listen to your parents and to some degree emulate their ideals and behaviour, however you are a different person and in some respects you will differ.

You wouldn't say that everything that your parents ever said was "tosh" but neither would you wish to be a clone of them, unless you thought they were perfect (which I accept that some Christians would argue about the bible).
 
Tokenbrit said:
Having the courage to accept that your views are wrong and outdated and to change them is a very laudable facet to a person.
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What utter rubbish. When the Bible was written it reflected the views of the time. Those views weren't wrong, they are only 'wrong' when compared to the PC joke that is modern life. It could be argued that it's actually modern life that's wrong, trying to make society fully inclusive bla bla bla etc.

The Bible is supposed to be the word of God. Personally, I don't believe God exists, but if he did, I very much doubt he is going to move his views with the times - what a retarded point of view you have!

I stand by my point, you're wrong, accept it and move on.
 
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John Lennon.
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You sir are awesome, have a boiled sweet!

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Tokenbrit said:
It depends what you would use it for, but I wouldn't say "tosh" in any circumstance.

As I said it is a partial record of the religious experiences of people from my religious heritage.

To paint an analogy you might listen to your parents and to some degree emulate their ideals and behaviour, however you are a different person and in some respects you will differ.

You wouldn't say that everything that your parents ever said was "tosh" but neither would you wish to be a clone of them, unless you thought they were perfect (which I accept that some Christians would argue about the bible).
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Despite being great blokes, neither myself or my dad claim to be the second coming of Christ, so nothing we say should be considered as infallible.
 
I'm a Christian and I've got no problem with gay people going to church.

I may not agree with what they do but I don't hate them, I'm not a perfect person.

The Bible clearly says that ALL can come to God because of Jesus. Church is supposed to be accepting of all people.
God hates sin but lovers the sinner, people have difficultly differentiating the two.
 
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House M.D. - “Rational arguments don’t usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be religious people.”

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FoxEye said:
It's not progressive. The churches are abandoning their own teachings in favour of being politically correct.

That is not progress, that's selling out their own faith.

Right now these churches are full of divisions and in-fighting, because some want to keep to the things written in the Bible, and others want to discard anything that doesn't fit with our modern permissive society.
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This.
 
naffa said:
Well, it's a fairly reasonable assumption to come to, given that churchs of all forms preach that your brother is committing a cardinal sin and is to face eternal damnation in the firey depths of hell. :p
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And that's friendly compared to a mosque :p
 
FoxEye said:
It's not progressive. The churches are abandoning their own teachings in favour of being politically correct.
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You missed the irony of my post, your first mistake was assuming a meaning (The addition of homosexuals to my statement) that I didn't make. In effect I was showing a certain hypocrisy in certain churches where homosexuals are bad yet unmarried couples are absolutely fine and dandy. Other than the (somewhat varying) big ten there isn't a real heirarchy of sin in the Bible so to make homosexuality some sort of special case is hypocritical.

FoxEye said:
That is not progress, that's selling out their own faith.
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It is progress. Progess doesn't have to be good after all (though from my point of view I would suggest it is good, especially as the non choice nature of homosexuality becomes more apparent).

FoxEye said:
Right now these churches are full of divisions and in-fighting, because some want to keep to the things written in the Bible, and others want to discard anything that doesn't fit with our modern permissive society.
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I would rather a more open church with some internal argument than a static hate filled abomination such as the West Boro Baptists. I would also prefer a more open church to one which is happy to be bigoted and hypocritical judging which sins are of more import than others. Especially when they base that judgement on a very poor and extremely political translation (Yes KJV, we are looking at you).

Not that it matters to me personally as God and I aren't really on talking terms anyway.
 
scorza said:
God loves and forgives everyone.
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...everyone that asks for forgiveness, as I recall. What's so "divine" about that - in other words "beg me".

It's like the whole worship thing - if God wants your praise and worship, that's Narcissistic, and hardly the quality of a "perfect" being.

Sorry, off-topic :) The irony of the churches (that covering most Christaian-based churches) attitude to homosexuality is not lost.
 
Tefal said:
Then how do you explain the fairly major differences between the old and new testaments?
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There isn't really, God's character remains consistent throughout.
God's heart is always love and mercy and forgiveness, though because Jesus had not yet come he had to consent to the destruction of many. In Ezekiel 18 he clearly says that he delights in the death of no-one but would rather that they turn and live
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