I thought it was anyone who was taking unjustifiably large sums from the taxpayer? Which is quite right and proper, every single penny of taxpayer spending should be justifiable, if it could be done by someone else, could be done cheaper or could be done more efficiently, then there must be reform.
Outrage at Headteacher's £200k pay package
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I thought it was anyone who was taking unjustifiably large sums from the taxpayer? Which is quite right and proper, every single penny of taxpayer spending should be justifiable, if it could be done by someone else, could be done cheaper or could be done more efficiently, then there must be reform.
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I guess you weren't paying attention when western governments handed billions of pounds over to the criminal banking cartel?? Can't say I'm suprised that you are not aware of it.
well after you finish shouting, google how many schools in the UK, now multiply that by £200,000 and remember that cost is per year..
(I know not all head teachers will get paid that much)
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What 'criminal banking cartel'?
I remember them buying into normal, legal banks, partly as a result of the actions of bankers, partly as a result of a regulatory structure that encouraged poor practices and damaged market protection structures, but I don't remember governments handing money over to some shady criminal cartel.
Are you sure you're not recalling a book you read?
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I wasn't shouting, this button called 'caps lock' was switched on and I was unaware.
AFAIK its one lucky teacher, not a nationwide policy of pimping our rectors.
One has to presume that the ones that aren't funded by taxation are done so because they provide value for money. Therefore why shouldn't public sector institutions be able to get the same value for money? Why do we tolerate a society where the big rewards are only available to those on destructive career paths like hedge fund or private equity and not those on constructive career paths in areas like education?
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No and if he was running a multi-million pound business he would earn considerably more than £200k a year including bonuses. £200k wouldn't be half of a blue chip CEO's salary alone.
I want to be a head teacher if I can get 200k
how hard can it be
1) fill in paper work
2) get given xxx budget to spend
3) spend xx budget
4) make sure trouble makers are suspended
5) give good teachers pay rises
6) give no pay rise to the rubbish teachers (and make things as difficult as you can and hope they leave - or sack them)
7) dont do bumb things like giving kids laptops
I mean how do these uber crap teachers keep their jobs?
how do the kids that trash the schools and bully every other kid not get kicked out?
how hard can it be
1) fill in paper work
2) get given xxx budget to spend
3) spend xx budget
4) make sure trouble makers are suspended
5) give good teachers pay rises
6) give no pay rise to the rubbish teachers (and make things as difficult as you can and hope they leave - or sack them)
7) dont do bumb things like giving kids laptops
I mean how do these uber crap teachers keep their jobs?
how do the kids that trash the schools and bully every other kid not get kicked out?
Why does education need to be publicly managed in the way that it is? the state has a responsibility to ensure access to education, not to actually provide it. There are many alternative ways of doing it that preserve access while not producing cloned comprehensives with similarly poor teaching and teachers suckling constantly at the teat of the taxpayer...
But running a school isn't like running a multimillion pound business. It's more akin to managing a large branch of tescos, a large call centre or being head of site in an office, and few of those roles pay anywhere near that much.
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Ahh niavety... I'm not recalling a book I read, but it sounds like your recalling the sun or the mirror in your understanding of the situation passed.
The only thing your right on is that, yes, the fronts of these banks are legit, but their actions were illegal. Some economists actually believe the banks planned all of this by design, but regardless, fact of the matter is, banks broke the law, screwed everything up and then used tax payers money to steady things. Regardless of the fact we are SUPPOSED to be capitalists and not socialist/communist, a private sector just stole billions when my or your business would have failed if we made wrong/illegal decisions.
But anyway I digress, I just get sick to death of these tabloid stories of how Joe bloggs earns x amount or some MP has claimed 10 grand expenses etc... when the real issues are just completely ignored, like 5 year old kids who think if they just hide under their bed scared of what they don't want to understand.
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He earned it, end of.
escdk, you evidently no idea how difficult it is to teach or run a school in a deprived area like Deptford.
escdk, you evidently no idea how difficult it is to teach or run a school in a deprived area like Deptford.
but it was only loans, they ahve to pay it back?
Once you add private companies into the equation all you're doing is taking a large chunk of the education budget out of education and into the hands of shareholders and as such you get a reduced service.
I agree that running a school isn't like running a multimillion pound business - it's more important than that!
It isn't naivety, it's not buying into random conspiracy theories and presenting them as some kind of revelatory fact...
The governments of the world lost the right to let capitalism take it's natural course when they started heavily regulating the banks. The fact that much of that regulation was wrong, poorly thoughtout or simply crazy doesn't mean it wasn't in place...
There are several schemes that have cost the tax payer money.
Some will probably be a dead loss, stolen if you wish, some will eventually make a return - hopefully not a loss on the investment.
I'd just like it broken down so we can all see what numbers went where then we can all decide how much was 'stolen'.
I'm genuinely interested and meeting somebody as assured in their facts as yourself seems a good opportunity to get some detailed information.
Often easier said than done
Also often easier said than done
Giving laptops to students is actually quite a good idea, if handled and provisioned correctly (depending on the school of course)
Because due to legislation its actually surprisingly difficult to sack someone.
Because likewise due to legislation its surprisingly difficult (and frowned upon) to permanently exclude (a more PC way of saying Expel as it was in my day) kids. On top of that some areas have an imposed limit on the number of kids they can PE in any given year, plus you have the required committee meetings required to even be able to PE in the first place, then you have parental appeals to the PE.
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Really? Presumably that's why private schools consistently provide a far better service than the state sector for a very similar per head cost?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...ucate-a-child-privately-say-headteachers.html
It really isn't, especially in the heavily top down culture of the state system. The overall aim may be more important (although our system doesn't suggest it, we wouldn't choose this system if quality of education was the driver), but the actual role of a head teacher in a state school is quite limited, certainly no different from most middle management positions in large private companies with some budgetary responsibility and a small-ish (100 or so employees) management responsibility.