Chunks of tyre flying past your window are not a good sign

I've noticed that too, not sure what it is about the UK. Perhaps it's because the costs of even getting a car onto the road legally is so high here?

Are you joking? With the notable exception of fuel we have some of the lowest car ownership costs in the world! I bet most of up here would have worse cars if we lived in many other countries.
 
Not joking. You serious? Everyone's always moaning how costly insurance is and how expensive fuel is etc.

I would have thought europe would be cheaper. Never owned a car there of course, but why not?
 
When I was in America, I didn't spot one car that didn't have "decent brand" tyres on. Is it just the mentality of our country that means they sell so well? Or maybe larger economies of scale in the US?

America has tougher standard for tyres than we do, the were a lot of class action lawsuits a few years back
 
Not joking. You serious? Everyone's always moaning how costly insurance is and how expensive fuel is etc.

I would have thought europe would be cheaper. Never owned a car there of course, but why not?

The problem with the UK is the mindset. Everyone here, sometimes even if they're on the dole, think they should be able to afford and run a car.

The public transport situation in the USA is far better. Most of the major cities there have subways etc.
 
People seem to think a car is an essential not a luxury even though its these same people who chose to do a job which requires a car, or rent a house in a place with poor transport links. Nobody else put them there.
 
The problem with the UK is the mindset. Everyone here, sometimes even if they're on the dole, think they should be able to afford and run a car.

The public transport situation in the USA is far better. Most of the major cities there have subways etc.

I guess you're right, kind of sucks though, why does everyone think it's a right rather than a privilege? Got to be party due to the government and probably our sensational press. I've been to America a few times, used the public transport too, cheap and gets the job done. Ours is a lot different.

I know nothing about the subject but let me present to you my opinion anyway

Surprised you can even see me from up there on your high horse.
 
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Much of Europe has awful taxation on cars - we wouldn't be owning 3 litre cars in Ireland or Belgium for example!
3,000cc is only £600 a year though which isn't too bad.
It's above that where it gets silly. I was briefly considering a x40i or E430 but at £1500pa road tax it's really not worth it.
But you also have to pay registration tax every time the car changes hands, and that's on output. New cars = £4000 tax if over 211 bhp, and it decreases with age.

Insurance is expensive too, and if you're under 26 it's almost impossible to insure something decent. My car has 110bhp according to the insurance documents ;)

But yeah, when people complain about £400 road tax in the UK, I :rolleyes:
Especially when it's on a performance car!
 
[TW]Fox;16935339 said:
Are you joking? With the notable exception of fuel we have some of the lowest car ownership costs in the world!
Us, and America I reckon. Fuel is nice and cheap, and insurance doesn't seem to be much of a problem for young folk out there
 
People read too much of The Daily Mail which has them thinking that this is rip off Britain and we're all being mugged on a daily occurance. Truth is, it isn't that bad at all and some places have it much much worse.
 
Let me assure you; the front left wheel bouncing past you with the suspension upright is worse.


What was the car? Something which requires a higher load rating by any chance?
 
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[TW]Fox;16935666 said:
People seem to think a car is an essential not a luxury even though its these same people who chose to do a job which requires a car, or rent a house in a place with poor transport links. Nobody else put them there.

depends entirely where you live though, i live and work in bristol, i don't live out in the sticks, i live probably about 2 miles max outside the city center of one of the biggest cities in this country, in the restaurant i started in we would start at 7am as managers, there is one bus in the entire city that will get you there for that time, the last restaurant i was at i think i would have had to get 3 different buses to get there about 3 hours late in the morning, or 2 trains to get there about an hour late, which is about as much use as a chocolate teapot, also i work till variable times at night, after 99% of the buses have stopped running, so i would be kind of buggered without a car, but that's what happens when you live in a city with what has to be one of the most dismal public transport systems going.

It doesn't bother me as frankly i have no beef paying what i do to run my car but in large swathes of the country there is nothing even vaguely resembling a public transport system which does make it difficult to get around at certain times of day.

Agree about cheap tyres though, but then as my car uses runflats i'm pretty restricted in the brands i use anyway :D
 
We really need laws or regulations here for tyres. Apparently a tyre doesn't need to pass any sort of test to be road worthy... other than tread depth of course.
 
Not joking. You serious? Everyone's always moaning how costly insurance is and how expensive fuel is etc.

I would have thought europe would be cheaper. Never owned a car there of course, but why not?

Insurance is cheaper here ( for starting drivers anyhow it's FAR cheaper), but tax is higher ( and Fuel&weight&region based not co2 based) and (2nd hand) cars are FAR more expensive, usually double the prices of the UK. Diesel ownership is taxed far more heavily but diesel itself is a bit cheaper, petrol is a bit more expensive.
 
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We really need laws or regulations here for tyres. Apparently a tyre doesn't need to pass any sort of test to be road worthy... other than tread depth of course.

You sure on that? Does seem rather... scary... to consider that if it is accurate! (Especially given our OTT health and safety culture at times)

(OK OK my tyres were only £65 a corner, im a cheapskate - i'm buying better ones once I find out the next MOT bill)
 
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