I do not envy the person that has to refuse serving a drink to a pregnant women
heavily pregnant woman drinking and smoking
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Yeah, I think that's one issue that in today's politically correct world that the pub staff or Landlord would have to contend with. It's not their place to be telling a pregnant woman she can't have anymore to drink if it turns out that she is just fat, at which point some silly news story pops up and she attempts to sue them!
I hear that a lot of pregnant women are doing this these days not to lable them all but most are " chav types " and if someone tells them not to or shows concern they get an earful and they will just carry on doing what they want. So I can understand why people dont bother cos half the time they just get greif and nothing they say has any effect.
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If she is not going to take proper care of her unborn child, then the law should force her to.
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This is of course a freedom issue.
Once you ban her from drinking and smoking, the next thing is of course folic acid. She should be FORCED to take it yea? For the baby?
And of course she could get hit by a car if she crosses the road, killing them both. Bit of a risk. Howsabouts we cut that madness out? [/sarcasm]
etc. etc.
I am very reluctant to start restricting the freedom of any part of this population. It's a slippery slope.
I mean you are NOT pregnant, but if you are the sole bread-winner for a family including small kids, should you be banned from smoking/drinking/riding a ruddy fast motorbike without life insurance because you are risking leaving your family in the **** if you die early? IS this really THAT different from preggers girl's drinking maybe adversely affecting her unborn child?
Once you ban her from drinking and smoking, the next thing is of course folic acid. She should be FORCED to take it yea? For the baby?
And of course she could get hit by a car if she crosses the road, killing them both. Bit of a risk. Howsabouts we cut that madness out? [/sarcasm]
etc. etc.
I am very reluctant to start restricting the freedom of any part of this population. It's a slippery slope.
I mean you are NOT pregnant, but if you are the sole bread-winner for a family including small kids, should you be banned from smoking/drinking/riding a ruddy fast motorbike without life insurance because you are risking leaving your family in the **** if you die early? IS this really THAT different from preggers girl's drinking maybe adversely affecting her unborn child?
Absolutely imo, one is directly physical, one is indirect.
If you drink yourself to death and die early leaving kids behind that's an emotional thing but the children will have a chance to grieve and get over it, drinking/smoking whilst pregnant can cause irreversible damage to said unborn baby.
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OK different example. Living in a highly polluted city like LA with small kids, despite medical evidence proving higher asthma rates etc. Because 'you like living there'??
If you are doing it knowingly then yes I think the authorities should step in as the child's health is being directly impacted, obviously in reality its a pretty impossible situation.
I do see your point though, its difficult because you have to draw the line somewhere don't you
I do see your point though, its difficult because you have to draw the line somewhere don't you
You sure she was pregnant, could have just been one of those fat messes you seeing waddling about.
Or could have recently given birth and still carry the fat / weight and looked pregnant.....
I'm pretty sure when i was born all the mothers smoked and drank with little regard for any damage it could do to the baby, most of us are ok today.
Yes to give your baby the best chance in life it's best to not smoke and drink.
Or could have recently given birth and still carry the fat / weight and looked pregnant.....
I'm pretty sure when i was born all the mothers smoked and drank with little regard for any damage it could do to the baby, most of us are ok today.
Yes to give your baby the best chance in life it's best to not smoke and drink.
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Fair enough.
Do you know in America they FORCE all companies to add folic acid to any bread they produce. So that basically all pregnant women will get folic acid in them as they eat any bread (as will everyone else, which does no harm to them).
Also for a while the UK government was seriously talking about adding a little flouride to all drinking water .. as they reckon the nations teeth would all get better. Of course people would lose the right to 'flouride free water out of the tap' and in the US they have never tasted bread without folic acid in it. In practice the folic acid is effectively being forced on them 'for their own good'.
Just out of interest .. would you be in favour of, or against, governments mass effectively forcing the population down such healthy routes? Making it nigh-on impossible for them to choose to not consume certain things? I'm not talking about 'give the population loads of information', I'm talking about 'All tap water WILL have flouride in it for everyone. full stop.'
Again, it's one of the more difficult 'freedom' questions .. just wondering where you stand out of interest ..
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Our landlord will happily do it, if there's people with young children or babies sat outside too late he'll also have words. It seems to be a sore point for him, and amusing to see, but I think it is a good thing, and have no problems backing him up if they take umbridge to it. Remember nobody is entitled to have a drink in any specific premises, and it can be refused for whatever reason you want so long as it doesn't break discrimination laws.I do not envy the person that has to refuse serving a drink to a pregnant women
Just so you know, it can actually be worse to go cold turkey when you are preggers, but obviously there is a pretty significant difference between having one and cutting way way back and stopping, to chain smoking.
Don't we already do this though, the water in a lot of places has fluoride in it.
I think it would be fine as it is for the better but they would need to make non-fluoride available for free or at the same cost of tap water.
Don't we already do this though, the water in a lot of places has fluoride in it.
I think it would be fine as it is for the better but they would need to make non-fluoride available for free or at the same cost of tap water.
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I always found it somewhat disappointing when we visited the maternity unit and there would invariably be one or two expectant mothers standing outside having a smoke. It isn't like you can claim ingnorance of the impact as it is certainly drilled in to you during the midwife visits (even when you have told them you don't smoke).
Thinking about it? Several areas had (possibly still have) flouride added to the water. Flouride is a poor example because it does have potential negative affects, struggling to find an unbiased source that discusses them though, they're all either pro flouridation or massively against it.
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My missus was told by the NHS to always satisfy her wierd food cravings when preggers, as it is what her body requires at that time.
She hasn't drunk through pregnancy. A few months ago she started moaning on, saying she could absolutely slaughter a single pint of Guinness. Only 1. It was a proper full-on craving. She has perhaps drank it 3 times before in her life!
She bought a pint and guzzled it down and never wanted another one since. The nurse said it was definately an 'iron' requirement FOR THE BABY at the time. Repeat - required by the baby which gave her the craving. She didn't know she needed iron. She only knew she needed guinness!!!
If the landlord has said 'I'm not serving you that guinness it's irresponsible of you' - would that have been reasonable?
She hasn't drunk through pregnancy. A few months ago she started moaning on, saying she could absolutely slaughter a single pint of Guinness. Only 1. It was a proper full-on craving. She has perhaps drank it 3 times before in her life!
She bought a pint and guzzled it down and never wanted another one since. The nurse said it was definately an 'iron' requirement FOR THE BABY at the time. Repeat - required by the baby which gave her the craving. She didn't know she needed iron. She only knew she needed guinness!!!
If the landlord has said 'I'm not serving you that guinness it's irresponsible of you' - would that have been reasonable?
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It would be his decision entirely. She has no right to be served Guinness or any other drink. I'd probably have got her a can anyway.
I think there is a pretty significant difference between having one pint of Guinness or even a few drinks stretched out over the pregnancy, that doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is excess, "drinking for several hours" is clearly excess and irresponsible in my eyes.
What bothers me is excess, "drinking for several hours" is clearly excess and irresponsible in my eyes.