What came first, the Chicken or the Egg?

bledd. said:
The egg.

Through evolution, the mutation occurred in the egg, the thing that laid that egg was not a chicken (just similar to it)

So the first chicken egg was there before the chicken that came out of it

That's my argument anyway :D
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same here, egg came first.

I am sure you could find a scientist that could prove the chicken came first.
 
bledd. said:
The egg.

Through evolution, the mutation occurred in the egg, the thing that laid that egg was not a chicken (just similar to it)

So the first chicken egg was there before the chicken that came out of it

That's my argument anyway :D
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Eggcept the egg was not a chickens egg.

It was the egg of the previous creature, the animal that came from that egg however would have been the one to lay the first true chicken's egg.
 
But it's not a chicken egg.


Otherwise you could have just said the snakes laid eggs before chickens and as such the egg came first :p
 
Chuckie Egg for the win.

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Oh wait.
 
Now I am all eggcited for one of my mates to ask me this :D
I now has teh proof !!!

edit: We need more rubbish egg jokes in this thread... come on people.
 
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bledd. said:
The egg.

Through evolution, the mutation occurred in the egg, the thing that laid that egg was not a chicken (just similar to it)

So the first chicken egg was there before the chicken that came out of it

That's my argument anyway :D
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Exactly what I thought.
 
The problem with this line of thinking is that even the educated amongst us have trouble realizing the incredibly slow scale at which evolution occurs. Also it depends on your strict definition of "egg".

All living creatures, from mammal to bird start and grow in a form of "egg" (yes people too). In most modern mammals the "egg" is the ambionic sack in which the fluid is contained (hence the breaking of the water). In a bird however this sack is merely a calcified version that is then projected outside the body. The fluid inside is then used as nourishment for the growing creature. Basically in one creature the egg is a soft flexible shell kept inside the body, while in another it is hardened and projected outside the body. We can see all levels of this hardening if we look at different creatures. Fish and many fully aquatic creatures lay eggs, but they aren't hardened "classical eggs" are they? Reptiles like small lizards lay a slighly more hardened version that is often leathery to the touch. Harder than a fish egg, but still softer than a chicken egg.

Basically when all life lived in the sea most of it likely layed soft squishy eggs, when things started to crawl out of the sea and live on the mucky shores they still layed eggs but they got tougher to be able to withstand semi-surface conditions. If we go further along the path mammals developed the ability to keep the egg inside until the young was matured, while other creatures like birds produced fully hardened versions for outside use =).

In other words the whole chicken vs egg story doesn't actually exist as the evolutionary process that led up to the current chicken and egg saw both evolving in tandem to get where they are today. Evolution may be slow but it is always in motion.

If you look at it a different way thou you could say egg first, as "hardened eggs" existed long before chickens evolved. The chicken was just one of many species that evolved that uses hardened eggs.
 
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I do admit that I was caught up in the debate for many years until a number of quality documentaries and a long running subscription to National Geographic showed me the error of my ways.
 
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